David, would you take one second to listen to what I'm trying to tell you?
Quoting from the vmware server 2.0 manual:
"VI Web Access and VMware Remote Console replace the VMware Management
Interface and VMware Server Console."
As of 2.0, vmware server uses a web application to configure virtual
machines. This web app doesn't run under safari.
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 3:38 PM
Subject: Re: Has any solution for blind to run windows under linux?
vmware has nothing to do with a web browser. If you run fusion on the
mac for instance, you can run linux and or windows xp or vista and others
too I'm told.
On Jan 11, 2009, at 4:36 PM, John G. Heim wrote:
Getting vmware to run under linux does have something to do with safari &
voiceover. As I said, I don't think you can get the vmware web app to run
in safari. It doesn't run very well under firefox with orca either. Well,
in fact it doesn't run great under IE with jaws for that matter. It's
just kind of a sucky web app in terms of accessibility. But I tried all
three and by far the best combo was IE & jaws.
It's true that having to press the enter key to enter data into a field
when using jaws is kind of lame but voiceover is chuck full of things
like that. You have to press a 4 key combination to interact with a table
or to interact with text.
I don't mean to trash voiceover here. As I said, I am trying to switch to
the Mac full time. You're on the voiceover list right? I asked about the
voiceover vs jaws issue last summer and specifically about voiceover &
safari compared to IE and jaws. I was on yet another list and had
asserted that voiceover users would say that it's as good as jaws. So I
asked on the voiceover list and was disappointed by the answers. First of
all, several people agreed that voiceover isn't up the the standard set
by jaws yet. Others suggested I switch to firefox for the Mac. I guess
you can't entirely trust self-selected surveys but when it's voiceover
users themselves saying this, it carries a lot of weight. Well, anyway,
that's what I meant when I used the term "conventional wisdom". It's not
as if I've done a scientific survey but then "conventional wisdom" isn't
a scientific term either.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman"
<david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: Has any solution for blind to run windows under linux?
we are mixing apples with oranges here. getting vm to run under linux
has nothing to do with voiceover and safari.
Jaws is over crowded with complexity, it robs us of the natural ook and
feel of the browser and makes a lot of mistakes in doing so. I find it
takes no greater number of keystrokes to do most things with voiceover.
I don't know what the "conventional wisdom" means here but I have been
using voiceover for 5 years now and am so glad I don't have to be
forced to turn on forms mode or turn off the virtual mode just to use
the web.
On Jan 11, 2009, at 2:04 PM, John Heim wrote:
My ultimate goal is to be jaws free. And I'm typing this on a Mac mini.
But my impression is that jaws and Windows is still significantly ahead
of Mac OS and voiceover. It takes too many keystrokes to get things
done vya voiceover. I even asked about this on the voiceover list last
summer and the conventional wisdom is that voiceover isn't quite up to
jaws level yet.
I've been trying to get Windows to run in a virtual machine under
linux. I don't think there is any way I'd have been able to get that
done without jaws.
On Jan 11, 2009, at 12:12 PM, David Poehlman wrote:
I find safari with voice over superior to jaws.
On Jan 11, 2009, at 1:00 PM, John Heim wrote:
Windows still has quite a few advantages as a user interface over
linux espeically for the blind. Windows and jaws is better than Max OS
and VoiceOver too. Go on the voiceOver email list and even they will
admit that. Note that I'm sending this from a Mac mini.
Other reasons to want to run Windows would include the possibility
that you need to use some software that is available only for Windows
and the possibility that you have to support Windows.
I just got Windows running in a virtual machine via vmware server2.
But I'll post another message about that.
On Jan 11, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
Really, that's as bad as running windows on the mac! In both cases
why accept the security problems and waste the disk space?
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Cody Hurst wrote:
The simple answer is no. There are ways, but you'd better do your
reading before asking such things because the ways that are there
are inaccessible.
And, why would you want to run windows under linux in the first
place?
On Jun 26, 2008, at 6:05 PM, 高生旺 wrote:
As title. Thank you!
Coscell
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