vmware has nothing to do with a web browser. If you run fusion on the
mac for instance, you can run linux and or windows xp or vista and
others too I'm told.
On Jan 11, 2009, at 4:36 PM, John G. Heim wrote:
Getting vmware to run under linux does have something to do with
safari & voiceover. As I said, I don't think you can get the vmware
web app to run in safari. It doesn't run very well under firefox with
orca either. Well, in fact it doesn't run great under IE with jaws for
that matter. It's just kind of a sucky web app in terms of
accessibility. But I tried all three and by far the best combo was IE
& jaws.
It's true that having to press the enter key to enter data into a
field when using jaws is kind of lame but voiceover is chuck full of
things like that. You have to press a 4 key combination to interact
with a table or to interact with text.
I don't mean to trash voiceover here. As I said, I am trying to switch
to the Mac full time. You're on the voiceover list right? I asked
about the voiceover vs jaws issue last summer and specifically about
voiceover & safari compared to IE and jaws. I was on yet another list
and had asserted that voiceover users would say that it's as good as
jaws. So I asked on the voiceover list and was disappointed by the
answers. First of all, several people agreed that voiceover isn't up
the the standard set by jaws yet. Others suggested I switch to firefox
for the Mac. I guess you can't entirely trust self-selected surveys
but when it's voiceover users themselves saying this, it carries a lot
of weight. Well, anyway, that's what I meant when I used the term
"conventional wisdom". It's not as if I've done a scientific survey
but then "conventional wisdom" isn't a scientific term either.
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Poehlman" <david.poehlman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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To: "Linux for blind general discussion" <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2009 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: Has any solution for blind to run windows under linux?
we are mixing apples with oranges here. getting vm to run under
linux has nothing to do with voiceover and safari.
Jaws is over crowded with complexity, it robs us of the natural ook
and feel of the browser and makes a lot of mistakes in doing so. I
find it takes no greater number of keystrokes to do most things
with voiceover. I don't know what the "conventional wisdom" means
here but I have been using voiceover for 5 years now and am so glad
I don't have to be forced to turn on forms mode or turn off the
virtual mode just to use the web.
On Jan 11, 2009, at 2:04 PM, John Heim wrote:
My ultimate goal is to be jaws free. And I'm typing this on a Mac
mini. But my impression is that jaws and Windows is still
significantly ahead of Mac OS and voiceover. It takes too many
keystrokes to get things done vya voiceover. I even asked about
this on the voiceover list last summer and the conventional wisdom
is that voiceover isn't quite up to jaws level yet.
I've been trying to get Windows to run in a virtual machine under
linux. I don't think there is any way I'd have been able to get
that done without jaws.
On Jan 11, 2009, at 12:12 PM, David Poehlman wrote:
I find safari with voice over superior to jaws.
On Jan 11, 2009, at 1:00 PM, John Heim wrote:
Windows still has quite a few advantages as a user interface over
linux espeically for the blind. Windows and jaws is better than
Max OS and VoiceOver too. Go on the voiceOver email list and even
they will admit that. Note that I'm sending this from a Mac mini.
Other reasons to want to run Windows would include the possibility
that you need to use some software that is available only for
Windows and the possibility that you have to support Windows.
I just got Windows running in a virtual machine via vmware
server2. But I'll post another message about that.
On Jan 11, 2009, at 6:18 AM, Jude DaShiell wrote:
Really, that's as bad as running windows on the mac! In both
cases why accept the security problems and waste the disk space?
On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, Cody Hurst wrote:
The simple answer is no. There are ways, but you'd better do your
reading before asking such things because the ways that are
there are inaccessible.
And, why would you want to run windows under linux in the first
place?
On Jun 26, 2008, at 6:05 PM, 高生旺 wrote:
As title. Thank you!
Coscell
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