Without a mental ociloscope, what is the point? Interesting novelty, but I can't see it serving any reall purpose. On Fri, 18 Jul 2003, David Poehlman wrote: > Janina, The rendering you hear as a soundscape can be back translated > through an oscillo scope to produce an identical image of the object to > which you are listening. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janina Sajka" <janina@xxxxxxxxxxx> > To: <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:58 PM > Subject: Re: discussion:Fw: [The vOICe] Linux? Yes, probably > > > What things sound like? > > Not. > > What someone's algorithm sounds like given certain parameters. > > Is that useful? Perhaps. For example, I would image dropping a pebble in > the pond would yield a fairly steady sine tone. But, so what? > > David Poehlman writes: > > From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > > > actually, it is a bit more subtle than that. You can actually learn to > hear > > what some things sound like if they are not too complex. The primary > > purpose for rendering images as sound scapes as is done through the vOICe > is > > to gain information from one's environment rather than to examine images > or > > printed material although there are possibilities there as well. You can > > find a lot of things to listen to at: > > http://www.seeingwithsound.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brent Harding" <bharding@xxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 1:40 PM > > Subject: Re: discussion:Fw: [The vOICe] Linux? Yes, probably > > > > > > OK, so if I scan in a piece of mail, with this audible code, how would it > be > > interpreted? It seems like such software might only be of use to compare > > things, like two pictures of me should generate similar sound patterns, > but > > would be unidentifiable other than that. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Poehlman" <poehlman1@xxxxxxxxxxx> > > To: <blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Friday, July 18, 2003 7:15 AM > > Subject: Re: discussion:Fw: [The vOICe] Linux? Yes, probably > > > > > > > peter responds requesting me to post: > > > > > > Hi Brent and all, > > > > > > You say > > > > > > > My friend uses kurzweil and I do too, but he > > > > has a camera attached, and kurzweil allows > > > > selection of that as scanner source, how on > > > > earth do you use a camera like a scanner, to > > > > read anything? > > > > > > The Kurzweil software only deals with text, > > > while The vOICe "reads" any image content > > > in "raw" form, hence indiscriminate of the > > > visual content. It does so by scanning each > > > image from left to right while associating > > > height with pitch and brightness with loudness. > > > > > > Therefore it is far more general than what > > > Ray Kurzweil recently described in his article > > > in the July 1 issue of eSchool News, saying > > > > > > > For blind people, we actually will have reading machines > > > > within a few years that are not just sitting on a desk, > > > > but are tiny devices you put in your pocket. You'll take > > > > pictures of signs on the wall, handouts at meetings, and > > > > so on. We all encounter text everywhere, on the back of > > > > packages, on menus. By 2010, these devices will be very > > > > tiny. You will be able to wear one on your lapel and > > > > scan in all directions. These devices probably will be > > > > used by the sighted as well, because they will allow us > > > > to get visual information from all around us. > > > > > > The vOICe "reads" arbitrary visual shapes and > > > patterns, including for instance line graphs, > > > to make for a relatively easy starting point. > > > In many other cases, the resulting sounds can > > > be excruciatingly complex and hard to interpret. > > > The vOICe does not attempt to interpret the > > > camera view in any way. That part is left to > > > the user (or to optional add-ons for OCR and > > > shape recognition, like those for use with > > > The vOICe Learning Edition). Of course this > > > kind of general but hard-to-master technology > > > will not be appreciated by everyone, as was > > > confirmed by some of the recent reply postings > > > on this list. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Peter Meijer > > > > > > Seeing with Sound - The vOICe > > > http://www.seeingwithsound.com > > > > > > Source URL of full eSchool article (free registration needed): > > > http://www.eschoolnews.com/news/showStory.cfm?ArticleID=4491 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > _______________________________________________ Blinux-list@xxxxxxxxxx https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list