Don: You make an outstanding analogy, but your statements regarding lynx are wrong. You will notice that as you read further emails on this thread. On Mon, 15 Jul 2002 ddunfee@city-net.com wrote: > This argument reminds me of wheelchair users. There are now chairs which > can climb stairs and are very expensive. Should access advocates now say > that ramps etc. are no longer required because such chairs are available? > Should a public service say to just upgrade your chair and we no longer > should be required to provide access? Are non-climbing chairs obselete and > the prblem is just with the choice of the user, regardless of price and > many other variables? Web sites need to be held to the same level of access > as do chair users for the access to services. > > Someone thus scribed: > > >Hi Cheryl, > > > >I'll check this one out shortly, but I do not believe good web site > >accessibility absolutely requires that the site work with Lynx. The Lynx > >browser is quite obsolete in comparison to current technology... If the > >site uses Java Script, and Lynx can't do Java Script, then that's not > >necessarily an accessibility issue if a Java Script capable browser with a > >screen reader can successfully render an accessible result. > > > >We must be careful here; what constitutes accessibility? > > > >Thanks. > > > >At 07:18 PM 7/12/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > > >>Hi everybody. > >>ray morgan, the 508 coordinator for the US postal Service, has been > >>corresponding with me re: the inaccessibility of the www.usps.com site. I had > >>pointed out to him that when using lynx one gets a message about enabling > >>javascript, and when using links-2.0 and above it is impossible to check out > >>once you have placed something in your cart. He has been diligently keeping me > >>posted regarding progress on the site. > >>Today he wrote and said that i should be able to purchase and check out > >>now, but > >>he also indicated that javascript support is still needed. He also indicated > >>that testers found the site works with jaws, though he said some more work > >>needs > >>to be done. > >>I worte him back and thanked him for all his effort and diligence in informing > >>me, but also reminded him that usability with jaws and accessibility are not > >>necessarily the same thing. I pointed out that not everybody wants to use Jaws > >>and that not everybody who even wants to do so can afford it. I told him I > >>would > >>let him know what happened when I tried to use the site again. > >>Unfortunately, when I went to the site and again tried to buy stamps, nothing > >>had changed for me. with links-2.1pre2 I was unable to go through checkout and > >>with lynx I of course got the same old messages about enabling javascript. > >>I wrote to ray and told him that i would post on this list and see if somebdy > >>with more technical knowledge than I possess would like to try to help track > >>down the problem. If anybody is interested in trying to help with this, > >>Ray Morgan's email address is > >>RMORGAN1@email.usps.gov > >> > >>I think he really genuinely is trying to work on this problem. > >>Thanks. > >> > >>Cheryl > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ > >> > >>Blinux-list@redhat.com > >>https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > >> > >> > >>--- > >>Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > >>Version: 6.0.373 / Virus Database: 208 - Release Date: 7/1/2002 > > > >Best regards, > >Darrell Shandrow > >Access technology consulting / network and UNIX systems administration. > >CompTIA A+ Certified Service Technician! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > -- Janina Sajka, Director Technology Research and Development Governmental Relations Group American Foundation for the Blind (AFB) Email: janina@afb.net Phone: (202) 408-8175 Chair, Accessibility SIG Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF) http://www.openebook.org