ok, I'll conceed that point, given that I use slackware, I'd have to recompile my kernel but in any case, it would give him good kernel building practise. you've got to learn sometime unless something breaks. besides does red hat allow for speakup, I know that bill acker might maintain a kernel image for the athlon but I won't be quoted on it unless I'm proved to be wrong. -- Shaun Oliver In a world without fences and walls who needs Windows and Gates? EMAIL: shaun_oliver@optusnet.com.au ICQ: 76958435