I am not defending all the inaccessible web sites at all, but the problem these days is that the web developers themselves don't sit around and write html with text editors like one can do if necessary. They are using commercial web authoring engines which are full of mystery meat software and proprietary code aimed at either Netscape or Internet Explorer. The developers of the actual web sites don't seem to know what went in to their actual page, only that it looks a certain way on this or that browser. I am trying to figure out what it will take to get javascript support for lynx, but I haven't really even begun to start actually solving the problem. I am still thinking and planning. While this discussion is technically off-topic for this list, it does deal with the technology needed to use the web and the problems we have. In brief, I have had no luck at all in getting any real change on a system-wide basis even where I work. Our web sites are all built with Lotus Domino and they are junk as far as lynx goes. Netrik will read the first page, but you can't really do anything yet with netrik so it is a neat concept car, but it doesn't get me to the store today. I had a brief correspondence with Mindleaders.com last year. They clame accessibility to their site for screen readers. If the screen reader is named JAWS, and your browser is from Microsoft, maybe so. If it is lynx and you use Linux, forget it for now. You can't even log in. Here is my final question. Is something considered accessible if it is only accessible through JAWS? As for the javascript for lynx, I got the mozilla distribution and am going to see if there is any Earthly way to use the javascript rendering engine in a text-based environment. It's gonna' be a long hard fight. Right now, as far as I know, we simply don't have any way to work these javascript-run sites in UNIX. Maybe I should first try to get lynx to gracefully handle relative links because a large number of sites would work if not for that. As usual, the possibilities are exciting, but the current reality is frustrating. Martin McCormick