I think you are being way too litteral. When I go out with friends to the movies what is it I'm really doing? Litterally I'm listening to the movie but that is not what I tell people and that is not how I'm asked if I want to go when I'm invited. At first I thought you were being sarcastic but I guess not. If i'm invited out to the movies I get asked if I want to go watch the movies. If I spend a quiuet evening with my girlfriend with the TV on, what is it I'm doing/ Watching tv. So when I go and listen to my speech synthesizer audibly output words of a linux manual I'm reading the manual. When I run my fingers across those funny little dots called braille I'm reading. I need to stop because I'm going to start being sarcastic and I don't mean to be. It's just a peev when people take it litterally the things we as blind people do just because they may not fit the right words. Best regards --- Raul A. Gallegos mailto:raul@asmodean.net http://www.asmodean.net For millions of years, mankind lived just like the animals.. Then something happened, which unleashed the power of our imagination... We learned to talk... On Mon, 17 Sep 2001, Ray Saldana III wrote: > I would think that most of us, or maybe it is just me, to be using a text to > speech device to be considered listening. I guess it all depends on what you > use to do it. > Then regarding Braille, that would be feeling to me. Maybe I just don't > understand, thank goodness we have all of these lists to help us to be all > knowing, as some of us appear to be. > 73 RR > AB7JM > http://personal.riverusers.com/~ab7jm_gila > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Peter Toneby" <woormie@acc.umu.se> > To: <blinux-list@redhat.com> > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 12:22 PM > Subject: Re: Telling people to read manuals. > > > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2001 at 10:43:03AM -0700, Ray Saldana III wrote: > > > Isn't this a blind mailing list? I may be in the wrong place, because > for > > > years now I haven't been able to read anything! > > > > uhmmm, Don't you count Braille to reading? > > I'd even go as far as calling using a text-to-speech device/program > > reading. > > > > /Peter Toneby > > -- > > Alpha Test Version: Too buggy to be released to the paying public. > > Beta Test Version: Still too buggy to be released. > > Release Version: Alternate pronunciation of "Beta Test Version". > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Blinux-list@redhat.com > https://listman.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/blinux-list >