Digital Talking Book Standard

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A sort of telnet program, that encrypts the connection using RSA or other
encryption systems, which uses public key encryption keys.

Luke


On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, cbowman wrote:

> hi luke, and listers.  luke, I have heard of ssh but, wasn't sure just
> what that is. is that something like telnet, or like a mod just wondering.
> thanks
> charles
>
>
> On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Luke Davis wrote:
>
> > For streaming you would use something dynamic such as SSH, not PGP.
> > However I see your point.
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Brent Harding wrote:
> >
> > > Wow, so how would the public/private key encryption work to get the books
> > > rolling? I suppose, using something like pgp, I could generate you a key if
> > > I were the publisher and send it to you on a disk, and encrypt all the
> > > content I want you to have with it. But this involves a manual process for
> > > every individual. Thus for example, pgp shoutcast can't exist, in the
> > > current protocols since only one key can decrypt any one data stream. And
> > > also, some how you have to turn the encrypted content in to audio that can
> > > be transmitted through such things if you wanted a pay to hear audio stream
> > > for whatever it be. I was thinking of the idea once, but winamp would choke
> > > on the encrypted mp3 stream and refuse to transmit it, although in linux to
> > > decode you could theoretically do something like
> > > lynx --source http://aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd:port | pgp -d
> > > and enter your password for your private key.
> > > At 11:46 AM 11/19/01 -0500, you wrote:
> > > >Martin, your message is apt and to the point. And, your instinct for a
> > > >FREE software digital talking book player is also on the mark. Now is a
> > > >very, very good time for such a player to come into existence. As someone
> > > >who continues to be very involved in the development of the NISO/DAISY dtb
> > > >standard, I'd like to pose a challenge to the programmers among us:
> > > >
> > > >Please give us a dtb player or two which supports the new NISO/DAISY
> > > >standards--mostly. I say"mostly" because it is not the end of the world if
> > > >you can't immediately support MPEG. Please know that the NISO/DAISY
> > > >standards people are keenly aware of the problems posed by specifying
> > > >MPEG. Regretably, ogg-vorbis was not judged ready for prime time yet--so
> > > >if someone wants to work on that, that would also be helpful, because we
> > > >truly need a GPL compression package that provides quality files that will
> > > >compete well with MPEG.
> > > >
> > > >Let me say why we need a GPL dtb player right now. I am seriously
> > > >concerned that agencies will impose some kind of encryption technologies
> > > >which they will not want to describe to GPL programmers. That would be
> > > >most unfortunate. Far better, imho, for this community to show that a GPL
> > > >player can really do the job of accessing (both text and audio) dtbs well.
> > > >Far better to show that public/private key encryption may just be adequate
> > > >enough.
> > > >
> > > >The pendulum has swung away from tight controls, at least among the
> > > >libraries that serve our communities today. Frankly, the earlier version
> > > >of the NISO standard was a bit stricter about copyright enforcement--what
> > > >the publishers like to call "Digital Rights Management." I think even our
> > > >earlier, stricter model was still smarter than what we've been seeing from
> > > >commercial ebook publishers. The commercial publishers are putting the
> > > >onus on the user and are killing industry prospects by doing so. The
> > > >earlier recommendations are still online at:
> > > >
> > > >	http://www.loc.gov/nls/niso/drm.htm
> > > >
> > > >In summary, this earlier document expects that some, but certainly not
> > > >all, titles produced as digital talking books will need to be restricted
> > > >to qualified recipients in order to maintain long standing programs of
> > > >free access to books--as with NLS here in the U.S. This would also apply
> > > >to U.S. agencies such as RFB&D. It would, in fact, be the copyright
> > > >management scheme which would distinguish titles produced in the NISO
> > > >standard as qualified titles under the so-called "Chafee Amendement" to
> > > >U.S. Copyright law. Chafee is a good thing, and we should not lose it.
> > > >
> > > >The DMCA is another matter entirely. The NISO thinking was to put the
> > > >emphasis on catching willful violaters, not on needlessly encumbering
> > > >honest users. My expectation is that public/private key can do this very
> > > >well--and can do it in a platform independ matter.
> > > >
> > > >Of course there's a chicken and egg aspect to all of this. Who would build
> > > >a player when there's nothing to play? How would one even test it? Yet, I
> > > >would think that this community would not want to leave the definitions of
> > > >what's possible to agencies who are far more steeped in proprietary
> > > >software than is probably good for the community at large. So, let me
> > > >simply offer this: I will find some NISO/DAISY content for you to test a
> > > >player with if you are building a GPL player and need something to work
> > > >with. Just write me privately.
> > > >
> > > >Lastly, let me say just a little more about how much content is actually
> > > >out there. There is virtually none in the newest version of the standard
> > > >simply because it's still not 100% nailed down. The NISO folks have until
> > > >December 17 to vote on the specifications that were submitted to them just
> > > >a few weeks ago. You should know that we truly do not expect any problems
> > > >with this voting, and we do expect a lovely Christmas pressent shortly
> > > >after December 17.
> > > >
> > > >There is a fair amount of content available to earlier incarnations of the
> > > >digital talking book specifications as produced by DAISY. In particular,
> > > >it may be important for players to support the new NISO/DAISY
> > > >specifications at:
> > > >
> > > >	http://www.loc.gov/nls/niso
> > > >
> > > >as well as the older, DAISY 2.0 specifications which can be found at:
> > > >
> > > >	http://www.daisy.org
> > > >
> > > >In particular, RFB&D has been quietly testing textbooks in several K-12
> > > >schools for blind children around the U.S. They are hoping to begin
> > > >offering about 3,000 titles encoded in DAISY 2.0 to all their clients
> > > >sometime during 2002. Also, the talking book programs at CNIB and RNIB
> > > >(U.K.) are expecting to launch programs for their clients in the spring of
> > > >2002 with approximately2,500 titles in each. So, as you can see, content
> > > >does already exist in the older DAISY 2.0 specification, though it is not
> > > >yet generally available.
> > > >
> > > >Last point on the encryption issues. We expect that whatever copyright
> > > >based encryption/decryption is involved needs to be nationally based. In
> > > >other words, the laws that authorize free programs for blind (and
> > > >otherwise print disabled) people differ country to country. So, any
> > > >support for a particular solution needs to be modular in order to handle
> > > >such national differences.
> > > >
> > > >I want to end on a more cheerful point. Even mainstream publishers are
> > > >beginning to realize that encumbering users is a bad way to promote the
> > > >value of electronic publishing. Please take a look at this website:
> > > >
> > > >	http://www.openanebook.org
> > > >
> > > >It is intended to be a place for publishers of all kinds to offer their
> > > >free content and their free tools. So, if you know of any, please offer
> > > >them up there. And, if you have influence with any blindness agency or
> > > >ebook publishers, please get them to join DAISY and/or OEBF. We need
> > > >broader participation in both places in order to realize a vision of
> > > >epublishing which creates accessible titles that are comfortable and fun
> > > >to use while still paying authors and editors for the value they add.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On
> > > >Mon, 19 Nov 2001, Martin G. McCormick wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> 	I certainly hope that players for DTB's will be available
> > > >> for Linux when the technology actually begins to bear fruit.
> > > >>
> > > >> 	This truly is a wonderful next step in the Talking Book
> > > >> program. Just think of the logistical problems of moving and
> > > >> caring for physical materials that this solves.  There will still
> > > >> need to be traditional Talking Books for many years to come, but
> > > >> I think this is the future and it may get to a point where there
> > > >> won't need to be as many physical recordings produced as there
> > > >> are now.
> > > >>
> > > >> 	The one thing I see as holding things up is the one
> > > >> artificial technical issue and that is DRM or Digital Rights
> > > >> Management.
> > > >>
> > > >> 	How is that going to be accomplished?  The standards
> > > >> document simply says that digital rights management will be
> > > >> supported but probably wisely does not prescribe exactly what
> > > >> sort of mechanism will be used.
> > > >>
> > > >> 	Hopefully, being eligible to receive traditional Talking
> > > >> Books and Braille materials will enable one to also receive any
> > > >> DTB's they are entitled to receive.
> > > >>
> > > >> 	In the main-stream consumer world, digital rights
> > > >> management has not been doing too well.  Some systems are hacked
> > > >> almost before they are released.  Other systems tend to do the
> > > >> opposite and malfunction in ways their developers never thought
> > > >> of to cause honest users of the technology to be denied service.
> > > >>
> > > >> 	Some rights management systems have even gained the
> > > >> distinction of suffering from both maladies.  The crackers
> > > >> de fang the protection and the honest users discover that the
> > > >> software thinks they are thieves because of something their
> > > >> equipment or they accidentally did.
> > > >>
> > > >> 	This issue, not technology, has held up everything from
> > > >> digital audio tape a decade or so ago to present-day high-definition
> > > >> television systems.
> > > >>
> > > >> 	Linux and FreeBSD should actually be good test beds for
> > > >> this technology because it is based on open-source models and any
> > > >> hanky panky mechanisms such as back doors or scripting
> > > >> applications are a little easier to police than they are in
> > > >> proprietary operating systems.
> > > >>
> > > >> Martin McCormick WB5AGZ  Stillwater, OK
> > > >> OSU Center for Computing and Information Services Network Operations Group
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> _______________________________________________
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> > > >
> > > >--
> > > >
> > > >				Janina Sajka, Director
> > > >				Technology Research and Development
> > > >				Governmental Relations Group
> > > >				American Foundation for the Blind (AFB)
> > > >
> > > >Email: janina@afb.net		Phone: (202) 408-8175
> > > >
> > > >Chair, Accessibility SIG
> > > >Open Electronic Book Forum (OEBF)
> > > >http://www.openebook.org
> > > >
> > > >Will electronic books surpass print books? Read our white paper,
> > > >Surpassing Gutenberg, at http://www.afb.org/ebook.asp
> > > >
> > > >Download a free sample Digital Talking Book edition of Martin Luther
> > > >King Jr's inspiring "I Have A Dream" speech at
> > > >http://www.afb.org/mlkweb.asp
> > > >
> > > >Learn how to make accessible software at
> > > >http://www.afb.org/accessapp.asp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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