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Hi lar,

I don't think your comments were political.  It only gets that way
when the discussion degenerates into an argument about whose solution
is better.  We should guard against that.

Let's focus on the features or behavior of our pet solutions that we
like the most, and talk about getting them implemented.  As long as
our discussions move in that direction, we'll be making progress.  I
found your ideas about structured speech markup interesting.  Have you
looked at Sun's work in this area?

>>>>> "Hanslar" == Hans Zoebelein <hzo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> writes:

  Hanslar> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: 18 Mar 1999
  Hanslar> 18:10:24 -0000 From: Lar Kaufman <lark@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To:
  Hanslar> blinux-develop-request@xxxxxxxxxx Subject: bomb shell

  Hanslar> I apologize for making remarks that may have appeared
  Hanslar> "political" in trying to examine what I perceived to be a
  Hanslar> political bias. The suggestion of political arguments made
  Hanslar> me rethink an assumption on my part, however. I'd like to
  Hanslar> suggest a different line of examination regarding the basic
  Hanslar> user interface that might once and for all preserve user
  Hanslar> access to the OS, if I could get some feedback from "those
  Hanslar> who know" about some specifics of this and that technology,
  Hanslar> since I think I may have a novel solution to the
  Hanslar> accessibility problem.

  Hanslar> Instead of asking "what other non-proprietary solution
  Hanslar> offers as flexible solution to user access as emacs" I
  Hanslar> should have asked "how can we give Linux low-level support
  Hanslar> for a rich, non-proprietary user interface?" The answer
  Hanslar> that came up when I asked that was not emacs, but XML. If
  Hanslar> Linux were capable of presenting information in the form of
  Hanslar> XML structures, it would be a simple matter to plug in, at
  Hanslar> the shell, desktop, or application level, a web browser
  Hanslar> interface; the operating system would not have to make
  Hanslar> assumptions as to the user's mode of access except to deal
  Hanslar> with the installed hardware in traditional Unix ways. Let
  Hanslar> me hasten to add that full XML need not (probably should
  Hanslar> not) be supported, but useful structural markup should be
  Hanslar> supported. For example, Linux would not send a message
  Hanslar> tagged as "bold" information, but it could send a message
  Hanslar> tagged with "emphasis". And Linux need not then concern
  Hanslar> itself with how the information it is presenting will be
  Hanslar> rendered for the user, only that it was sent to devices
  Hanslar> that are supported by default or user-chosen utilities to
  Hanslar> render it appropriatedly. The tricky part is to define what
  Hanslar> subset of XML tagging is *necessary* for OS-user
  Hanslar> interactions and what tag handling
  Hanslar> (recognition/stripping/ignoring) Linux will perform on
  Hanslar> input from the user. And, if necessary and appropriate,
  Hanslar> defining new tags to submit to the W3C to support open
  Hanslar> systems accessibility at the lowest level. Getting an
  Hanslar> English voice message output to a sound card, for example,
  Hanslar> would not be difficult, but getting a vocal response
  Hanslar> returned to Linux and recognized as a choice or command is
  Hanslar> a tougher problem that might best be handled by making the
  Hanslar> user's shell, desktop, or browser smart enough to process
  Hanslar> the signal into the needed data for Linux to use.

  Hanslar> Does this seem viable without significantly distorting the
  Hanslar> kernel?

  Hanslar>  -lar "The sum of all we drive at is that every man may
  Hanslar> enjoy the same rights that are granted to others." -- John
  Hanslar> Locke, 1689, A Letter Concerning Toleration

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   Brian L. Sellden - brian@xxxxxxxxx,
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