Hi Mark, I already got in trouble with my FreeBSD statement, to my defence I want to state that I just came home after a root canal and now that the freezing is disappearing my normal senses are coming back ;-) Your last line [quote on] It certainly would be nice if the various distributions could support these sort of controllers out of the box - as you say they are increasingly common and people do want to use them [quote off] It is my opinion that this should state: It certainly will become necessary that RedHat needs to support this hardware as it is commonly used on new high-end motherboards. RedHat's claim to support desktop environments does not hold when kernel builders at RedHat are not following common open standards. Not only do customers suffer from this, the Linux community is suffering as well. The problems from the non-standard kernels in RedHat also affect software distributions (VmWare is one of them). If RedHat wants to stay successful the engineering team has to start interacting with the community and not act like they were living in Redmond. I have not been able to gain anything from my 30 day support when I bought RedHat 7.3 and registered it, neither with 8.0 actually. Linux distributions are now pushing for advanced support. Thou shall pay a fee of $ 39 - 90 US dollars a year to gain access to our patches that if they break any of your applications are without warranty and you shall not hold us liable. Doesn't this start to sound familiar? Okay enough ranting it is an unpleasant fact and we shall wait for RH 8.1 and see whether there is any progress.... Aldert E. van der Laan London, Ontario Canada
