On Sat, Feb 13, 2016 at 05:58:38PM +0100, Bardur Arantsson wrote: > Again... no "use case" apart from "I don't want to use systemd". That seems like a reasonable use case to me. My previous desktop box ran Arch. After setting it up Arch switched to systemd. When it came time to upgrade to a new desktop box I switched to Gentoo because I didn't want to use systemd. If the Arch devs had given users a choice of a systemd alternative I probably would have stuck with Arch. I was recently impressed with Arch. I fired up my retired desktop PC after it had been shut down for about a year. I wanted to see of Kodi would run well enough on it to use it as a Kodi box. I had to remove a couple of packages I didn't need any more, and delete a couple of files to work around some conflicts, but after that pacman updated something like 800 packages without a hitch. I love most things about pacman, except some of its naming conventions. Synchronizing a package to install it never made sense to me. Back when I was using Arch regularly I ended up creating a wrapper script that called pacman, package-query, yaourt, pacaur, etc., depending on what I was doing. So on my Arch box, applying updates usually looks something like: pdr update pdr lu pdr upgrade The second command lists updates. I usually like to list what's going to be updated including old and new version numbers before updating. Anyway, if I use the old box as a Kodi box I'll probably stick with Arch on it, at least for a while. There are a lot of things I miss about Arch. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.Lassie.xyz http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.