-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 05/08/2014 05:22 PM, Daniel Micay wrote: > On 08/05/14 05:10 PM, Christos Nouskas wrote: >>> I guess you'll be upset that Tom (one of the Arch developers) wrote >>> systemd-networkd. >> >> You guess wrong. > > So you're okay with it providing networking, but not timer units? Timer > units were a very simple addition on top of the existing event loop, > while networkd is a significant project. > >>> You'll probably also be upset that there's going to be >>> a simple systemd-console from the kmscon developer (who is an Arch user) >>> and a systemd-timesyncd for basic NTP clients not needing a full blown >>> server with complicated RTC handling. >> >> Again wrong. Unless they're enabled by default. > > The systemd console would replace the virtual terminals provided by the > kernel. The NTP client might make sense as something enabled by default, > although I don't know if it's planned to be. > >>> Everyone else will continue on with their lives, because they realize >>> that there's nothing wrong with maintaining more than one binary/library >>> under one version control repository. >> >> Don't escalate and don't make it personal. You're just guessing wrong; >> I don't mind running systemd, unless it decides what's best for me >> without asking me. Clearing /tmp is one of those annoying things. > > I'm don't see how I'm making it personal with a bit of sarcasm. > > You already made it quite personal by promoting FUD with gems like this: > >> systemd's team is noticeably chauvinistic > > Do you think Tom and Dave are chauvanistic? Or did you not really read > what you linked to? > >> I've also been annoyed by the fact that I have a PC that won't boot >> with systemd>198-2, because systemd can't mount /usr/local (which is >> empty). > > I'm not sure what you mean by this. > >> On the other hand I do love the _netdev & x-systemd.automount >> directives in /etc/fstab. >> >>> This is a rant against the Arch devs and the Arch community. >> >> Wrong yet again. It isn't. I didn't say "The Arch and systemd devs are >> this and that", I just pointed out some facts about *systemd* that I >> find annoying and this has nothing to do with the developers >> themselves, for crying out loud! Are you suggesting people should just >> shut up and never voice an unfavourable opinion? Or you'd rather >> prefer a court of flatterers praising how perfect this world is? > > No, I'm asking you to stop spreading misinformation and attacks on the > developers behind the project (who also develop Arch Linux). If you > interrupt a constructive thread with FUD, you can expect to be called out. > >>> Several of >>> the developers and several people involved with the community are >>> systemd developers, and there is certainly consensus among the Arch >>> developers and trusted users to use systemd. >> >> Which makes systemd perfect how exactly? > > No one said it's perfect. > >> Anyway, if I've offended anyone I offer them my apologies. > To all, Don't make any of this personal. In addition, I hope the inclusion of systemd in Arch Linux has more justification than just some Arch developers are also Systemd developers. Arch may not be a democracy, but it's not supposed to be infested with cronyism either (I don't think it is). Let's all be calm and collected here and sort things out. Regards, Mark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlNsYRUACgkQZ/Z80n6+J/Y52QEAhReqsw4fdGtGAPunRLmD3v8t +Yafv6/f0J4C/ytR8xYA/3QsLD6Pd/kyGGaIGyxeM1Z9Ay91cSuHzlhg11lW4/RB =IDYd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
