On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 5:34 PM, Brandon Watkins <bwat47@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Umm, the fact thats its been the default init system in several popular > distros already? Fedora 15+ , In Fedora they didn't just went from sysv style scripts to full blown systemd with all their features. They did it gradually in order to minimize the potential problems. In fact, they still haven't fully finished the conversion: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/SysVtoSystemd (60% done) And yet they hit tons of bugs, and they still have a lot of them: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&order=Importance&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&component=systemd&classification=Fedora I moved away from Fedora in part because systemd made my system not boot 70% of the time. > Opensuse 12.1 In OpenSUSE as well the move was supposed to happen before 12.1, but they constantly hit issues, and they kept delaying it. And afterwards they still have a lot of issues: https://bugzilla.novell.com/buglist.cgi?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=&content=systemd > don't know why you keep hanging onto this idea that systemd is "untested" > or "unproven", because it isn't. I never said such a thing. Can you please read what I say? There's a difference between something being "tested" (there's different degrees of testing, and the results, and the degrees of certainty in the results), and something being "stable enough to be used" (there's different degrees of certainty). Apparently there's no choice of words that can transmit what I am actually trying to say to you. Cheers. -- Felipe Contreras