On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 4:23 AM, Sven-Hendrik Haase <sh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 22.08.2012 02:48, Felipe Contreras wrote: >> >> On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Sven-Hendrik Haase <sh@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> wrote: >>> >>> On 22.08.2012 02:10, Felipe Contreras wrote: >>>> >>>> Switching to systemd is not a small change, it's a revolutionary >>>> change, with the potential to break many people's boot (it has broken >>>> things in Fedora, and openSUSE, and it's happening in Arch Linux as >>>> well). So, a sensible person would wait until a sensible time to make >>>> the big switch (which is clearly not now). >>>> >>> Arch is not sensible in the conservative sense. Being conservative here >>> means waiting for others to make the software more stable. This is not >>> really what Arch is about. We regularly move to software that is >>> just-about-enough stable to be used. As far as I am concerned, systemd is >>> at >>> that point since I was able to convert my laptop to it without any >>> problems >>> at all. >> >> So if it works for you, it will surely work for *everybody* else. I >> have seen this argument so many times that I'm starting to worry about >> the rationality of Arch Linux users and developers. > > I said "As far as I am concerned, systemd is at that point since I was able > to convert my laptop to it without any problems at all." In other words: "I was able to convert my laptop to systemd without any problems" Therefore: "systemd is stable enough to be used" > You say I somehow > said something along the lines of "As far as I am concerned, systemd is at > that point since I was able to convert my laptop to it without any problems > at all so it will surely work for *everybody* else." You didn't say systemd is at the point where "*I* am able to use it", you implied that systemd is at the point where it is stable enough to be used (in general). * "systemd is at that point" * "We regularly move to software that is just-about-enough stable to be used." If this is not what you intended to say, then it seems like a red herring. Can we then agree then that you don't *know* if systemd is stable enough to be used (in general, not only by you)? Cheers. -- Felipe Contreras
