On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 19:38, Oon-Ee Ng <ngoonee.talk@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Leonid Isaev <lisaev@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On (10/24/11 18:00), Karol Blazewicz wrote: >> -~> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Leonid Isaev <lisaev@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> -~> > Besides, one really doesn't have to enable testing in pacman.conf -- individual >> -~> > pacman -U will do, imho. >> -~> >> -~> I've read that [testing] is all or nothing and you shouldn't >> -~> cherrypick packages because you might break something. >> -~> Somewhat relevant https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=127144 >> >> That's where brain comes in handy :) >> > Yes, its a REALLY good idea to state that its okay to pacman -U > individual [testing] packages on a public mailing list with at least > some users who really don't know any better than to do just that. > This is the reason these discussions become useless, there are some opinions that will never change. All the warnings are in place and as I agreed with earlier "point that out to graciously" if need be. But you never learn anything if you take the safest route all the time. Learning is about experimentation. Without experimentation a person becomes stagnant. You can't tell someone you can't do that, or at least don't tell me that or I'll bust my ass and break my neck trying to do what I've been told not to do. I'm not sure but it may be that being born in the USA, working in the oil field for 30+ years where the main incentive was the line "can't get it can't stay", or maybe because I live in Texas and am one of those obstinate know it all Texans. Better put was a joke years ago by the comedian Red Skelton. It used to reside on a bill board along I10 in South Texas. When asked how you can tell a Texan, his reply was "Yep you can tell a Texan but you can't tell him much". The attitude about not telling some users who really don't know any better than to do just that grates on my nerves. It might be a better idea to put a better explanation on the wiki about what exactly might happen to those who chose to use testing. Of course I'm one of those who build there own packages from testing and trunk, keeps their own repo for base and core, and uses pacman -U to install my packages. I wouldn't have learned how to do that without making some mistakes, doing a lot of reading, and asking a few "I really should have known that" type questions. I wouldn't have learn how to fix my box when it's broken. I've now broken my own rule and made this personal on a list where that shouldn't be done. I apologize to all those whom I didn't mean to offend and did and for the excess noise on the list. Myra Nelson -- Life's fun when your sick and psychotic!
