On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:01 PM, <hollunder@xxxxxx> wrote: >[snip] > When will "Desktop" people start to see that they are being intrusive? > They live in their own small bubble called GNOME or KDE and can't ever > imagine anyone not wanting to use this. > Sorry for this "slightly" off topic rant, but it annoys me on a regular > basis when I see applications depend on gnome or kde, mostly for some > stupid reason called 'integration' which really isn't of much use in > the specific DE they integrate with and a hindrance to everyone who's > not running exactly that DE. Being a Xfce user I wholeheartedly agree. I left Xubuntu for Arch a few years ago looking for minimal dependencies on applications and a way to recompile offending applications if needed. I have found what I needed. Unfortunately, fewer and fewer applications are "desktop-agnostic" these days. To install a gtk2 application I am usually asked to download half of GNOME or at least libgnomeui and gconf. Gconf is my personal favourite. Xfce already uses xfconf (btw I love its description in the repository:"xfconf.. thingie" -- looks like not only I am confused), why am I supposed to use two different configuration databases? Why can't people agree on one? Why not just save configuration in plain files, it has worked before... I have been filing feature requests on bugtrackers for alternative configuration systems, maintaining biased AUR packages and bugging Arch devs about sudden additions of dependencies. But I feel I am losing. We are destined to live in a convoluted mass of redundant dependencies. Regards, JM