On Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:41:58 +0100 JM <fijam@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 3:01 PM, <hollunder@xxxxxx> wrote: > >[snip] > > When will "Desktop" people start to see that they are being > > intrusive? They live in their own small bubble called GNOME or KDE > > and can't ever imagine anyone not wanting to use this. > > Sorry for this "slightly" off topic rant, but it annoys me on a > > regular basis when I see applications depend on gnome or kde, > > mostly for some stupid reason called 'integration' which really > > isn't of much use in the specific DE they integrate with and a > > hindrance to everyone who's not running exactly that DE. > > Being a Xfce user I wholeheartedly agree. I left Xubuntu for Arch a > few years ago looking for minimal dependencies on applications and a > way to recompile offending applications if needed. I have found what I > needed. > > Unfortunately, fewer and fewer applications are "desktop-agnostic" > these days. To install a gtk2 application I am usually asked to > download half of GNOME or at least libgnomeui and gconf. Gconf is my > personal favourite. Xfce already uses xfconf (btw I love its > description in the repository:"xfconf.. thingie" -- looks like not > only I am confused), why am I supposed to use two different > configuration databases? Why can't people agree on one? Why not just > save configuration in plain files, it has worked before... > > I have been filing feature requests on bugtrackers for alternative > configuration systems, maintaining biased AUR packages and bugging > Arch devs about sudden additions of dependencies. But I feel I am > losing. We are destined to live in a convoluted mass of redundant > dependencies. > > Regards, > JM Wait until dbus eat our babies and the dependency threads strangle us :) Well, I guess they try to 'integrate' again, all config in one place, but again only for their bubble. I also encountered gconf a couple of times, and a bunch of other stuff as well. For me gtk and gnome are two very different things. Same goes for qt and kde. Yet application developers seem to rarely see a problem with adding gnome/kde dependencies to their gtk/qt app. I wonder why this is. I also wonder why they don't make more stuff optional. Probably because it's hard, but what is the hard part there?
