On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM, <hollunder@xxxxxx> wrote: > Conclusion: > Yeah, great, install xorg for a minimal graphical desktop, what you get > is console-kit, for a minor feature in a monster DE. > When will "Desktop" people start to see that they are being intrusive? > They live in their own small bubble called GNOME or KDE and can't ever > imagine anyone not wanting to use this. > Sorry for this "slightly" off topic rant, but it annoys me on a regular > basis when I see applications depend on gnome or kde, mostly for some > stupid reason called 'integration' which really isn't of much use in > the specific DE they integrate with and a hindrance to everyone who's > not running exactly that DE. > > So please, next time you call something integration, think beyond the > bubble. In our little Linux world with limited developer time we need > real integration, real solutions and still > freedom of choice. You read my mind. I was debating adding a little rant here about the necessity of hal, consolekit, policykit, devicekit, whatever-the-hellkit to do the stupidest things. It's real counter-intuitive. And don't even get me started about linux audio - apparently the core market for linux audio developers are people doing live, realtime, studio recordings with a line-in jack on a laptop[1] - not the people who just want their machine to beep at them. I absolutely positively hate that all this shit is getting integrated into the lower level portions of the operating environment. The xorg/hal coupling is gross and disgusting if you don't want or need hal. Soon enough, I'll bet udev and devicekit are going to require each other. When this starts to happen, it's time to stop using this crap 1: Paraphrasing cactus here
