As you say, it's not clear.=20 Given the industry focus on precision, that's the issue. Brett Fechheimer wrote: >>> Why accept the clearance unchallenged? >>> =20 > > We don't actually have the full recordings, just the bit originally put= up on LiveATC.net (and since distributed virally by our trusted media), = which lasts not much longer than a minute -- and even during that minute,= the ATC is heard just as much, or more, as his son. In other words, the = kid's words didn't occur in a vacuum; his father spoke immediately before= and after his son did, every time, and we have no idea if just before th= e recording started the ATC prepped the pilots even more explicitly about= what was going on (or if he continued to do so throughout; it's not clea= r how extensively the recording was edited or what was left out). Clearly= , even in the short bit we do have, the ATC is right there, making it cle= ar it's his son who is speaking with his consent. The pilots accepted the= clearance for those reasons; it's not as if they thought some random 9-y= ear-old in his basement in Ozone Park was somehow goofing around on the f= requency. > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: RWM <RWM@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 5:45:01 PM > Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Investigating Tiny Voices at Air Tower > > I don't disagree with the decision to bring the kids to work. In years= =20 > past I've taken them to the hangar to see transport aircraft from that = > close-up, ground-level perspective. (Pretty scary to them, actually.) > > Agreed, you and I would undoubtedly observe the scene quietly, and even= =20 > the typical 12 year old will show that sort of restraint, unless=20 > egged-on by a parent or teacher... All that said, with the exception o= f=20 > the gratuitous "Adios amigo", they seem to have been coached pretty wel= l. > > Which brings me back to the piloting question. Why accept the clearanc= e=20 > unchallenged? > > > > Bryant Petitt wrote: > =20 >> Bob, >> >> And why did he even bring his kids to work? I would consider this a ma= jor distraction in the tower. I have been in the ATL tower one time in my= life, and I pretty much kept my mouth shut, or whispers, as I would have= on the few trips I have had (distant past) in the jump seat of an large = airliner landing in SYD, Narita, or even my one experience in the jump se= at of an Electra landing in Sal Paolo. >> >> Bryant Petitt >> Cumming, GA >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: RWM <RWM@xxxxxxxxxx> >> To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx >> Sent: Thu, March 4, 2010 1:06:39 PM >> Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Investigating Tiny Voices at Air Tower >> >> Although the intent here, and on the face of it, this was sort of cute= , >> would you actually accept a clearance at a high-density terminal airpo= rt >> from an unexpected source in a child's voice? How about enroute? >> >> >> >> Bill Hough wrote: >> =20 >> =20 >>> This page was sent to you by: psa188@xxxxxxxxx >>> >>> N.Y. / REGION | March 04, 2010 >>> Investigating Tiny Voices at Air Tower >>> By MICHAEL WILSON >>> An air traffic controller at Kennedy Airport is in trouble after=20 >>> =20 >>> =20 >> bringing his children to work - and letting them speak to pilots. >> =20 >> =20 >>> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/04/nyregion/04children.ht <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you wish to unsubscribe from the AIRLINE List, please send an E-mail to: "listserv@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx". Within the body of the text, only write the following:"SIGNOFF AIRLINE".