Re: NYTimes.com: Investigating Tiny Voices at Air Tower

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I don't think most people on this listserv want to get a bunch of emails li=
ke this, so this will be my last one.=0A=0AHow you gleamed that the central=
 message of my last email was "It's not clear," I'm not sure.=0A=0AWhat I s=
aid is that the son is clearly speaking with his father's consent, and even=
 in the short bit we have, Daddy ATC is right there, elaborating on what hi=
s son said, also speaking to the pilots, joking with them briefly that "thi=
s is what you get when the kids are off from school." The only thing I said=
 wasn't clear is how much MORE of this kind of dialogue he might have kept =
up. Even with the limited clip we do have, what is clear is that the ATC wa=
s in charge.=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: RWM <RWM@RWMann=
.com>=0ATo: The Airline List <AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Brett Fechheimer =
<brettfechh@xxxxxxxxx>=0ASent: Thu, March 4, 2010 6:56:32 PM=0ASubject: Re:=
 NYTimes.com: Investigating Tiny Voices at Air Tower=0A=0AAs you say, it's =
not clear. =0AGiven the industry focus on precision, that's the issue.=0A=
=0A=0A=0ABrett Fechheimer wrote:=0A>>> Why accept the clearance unchallenge=
d?=0A>>>=A0 =A0 =A0 =0A> =0A> We don't actually have the full recordings, j=
ust the bit originally put up on LiveATC.net (and since distributed virally=
 by our trusted media), which lasts not much longer than a minute -- and ev=
en during that minute, the ATC is heard just as much, or more, as his son. =
In other words, the kid's words didn't occur in a vacuum; his father spoke =
immediately before and after his son did, every time, and we have no idea i=
f just before the recording started the ATC prepped the pilots even more ex=
plicitly about what was going on (or if he continued to do so throughout; i=
t's not clear how extensively the recording was edited or what was left out=
). Clearly, even in the short bit we do have, the ATC is right there, makin=
g it clear it's his son who is speaking with his consent. The pilots accept=
ed the clearance for those reasons; it's not as if they thought some random=
 9-year-old in his basement in Ozone Park was somehow goofing around on the=
 frequency.=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> ----- Original Message ----=0A> From: RWM <R=
WM@xxxxxxxxxx>=0A> To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=0A> Sent: Thu, March 4, 20=
10 5:45:01 PM=0A> Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Investigating Tiny Voices at Ai=
r Tower=0A> =0A> I don't disagree with the decision to bring the kids to wo=
rk.=A0 In years past I've taken them to the hangar to see transport aircraf=
t from that close-up, ground-level perspective. (Pretty scary to them, actu=
ally.)=0A> =0A> Agreed, you and I would undoubtedly observe the scene quiet=
ly, and even the typical 12 year old will show that sort of restraint, unle=
ss egged-on by a parent or teacher...=A0 All that said, with the exception =
of the gratuitous "Adios amigo", they seem to have been coached pretty well=
.=0A> =0A> Which brings me back to the piloting question.=A0 Why accept the=
 clearance unchallenged?=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Bryant Petitt wrote:=0A>=A0 =0A=
>> Bob,=0A>> =0A>> And why did he even bring his kids to work? I would cons=
ider this a major distraction in the tower. I have been in the ATL tower on=
e time in my life, and I pretty much kept my mouth shut, or whispers, as I =
would have on the few trips I have had (distant past) in the jump seat of a=
n large airliner landing in SYD, Narita, or even my one experience in the j=
ump seat of an Electra landing in Sal Paolo.=0A>> =0A>> Bryant Petitt=0A>> =
Cumming, GA=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> ________________________________=
=0A>> From: RWM <RWM@xxxxxxxxxx>=0A>> To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=0A>> Se=
nt: Thu, March 4, 2010 1:06:39 PM=0A>> Subject: Re: NYTimes.com: Investigat=
ing Tiny Voices at Air Tower=0A>> =0A>> Although the intent here, and on th=
e face of it, this was sort of cute,=0A>> would you actually accept a clear=
ance at a high-density terminal airport=0A>> from an unexpected source in a=
 child's voice?=A0 How about enroute?=0A>> =0A>> =0A>> =0A>> Bill Hough wro=
te:=0A>>=A0 =A0 =A0 =0A>>> This page was sent to you by: psa188@xxxxxxxxx=
=0A>>> =0A>>> N.Y. / REGION | March 04, 2010=0A>>> Investigating Tiny Voice=
s at Air Tower=0A>>> By MICHAEL WILSON=0A>>> An air traffic controller at K=
ennedy Airport is in trouble after=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =0A>> bringing his ch=
ildren to work - and letting them speak to pilots.=0A>>=A0 =A0 =A0 =0A>>> h=
ttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/04/nyregion/04children.ht=0A=0A=0A      

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