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OK, here is an example
20SEP DEPARTURE DATE-----LAST DAY TO PURCHASE 7SEP
BASE FARE TAXES TOTAL
1- CAD2781.00 238.72XT CAD3019.72ADT
XT 7.94CA 168.23XG 15.00SQ 32.08US
7.74XY 2.76AY 4.97XF
2781.00 238.72 3019.72TTL
ADT-01 MUP4BA3
YVR UA CHI Q7.50 1383.00MUP4BA3 UA YVR Q7.50 1383.00MUP4BA3
CAD2781.00 END XFORD4.5
1 UA1142P 20SEP 3 YVRORD SS1 0624 1235 /DCUA /E
2 UA1119P 22SEP 5 ORDYVR SS1 1515 1743 /DCUA /E
YVR-ORD on UA, booked in P class but pricing at an MUP fare. P is most
definitely a subclass of F and any fare starting with M is an economy class
fare. When I look at the seat map it brings up the First Class seat map so
the passenger is confirmed in the First Class cabin at the time of booking.
I've never heard of anything like what you're talking about Michael. If you
were upgraded on AC or LH, perhaps it was due to your Star Alliance Status.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Michael C. Berch
Sent: September 6, 2006 1:27 PM
To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: anyone hear about this fare class Y-UP?
I suspect that Mark and I are talking about two different things. A and P
are discounted first class, and Z is discounted business class.
What I'm talking about is not sold as a first or business class fare; it
*can't* be, since the corporate travel agents (or individual travelers who
book the space and are reimbursed on expense account) are prohibited by
their company travel policy from booking any F or C fare, discount or
otherwise.
What I'm referring to is a scheme whereby the airline advertises that
full-fare coach (Y) passengers will get automatic space-available upgrades
to F (on two-class aircraft) or C (on three-class aircraft).
Unlike A, P, or Z, this is not a published fare with rules, but simply an
internal marketing program. I have done this domestically on UA, NW, CO,
old FL, old QQ, and probably a couple of others, and internationally on AC
and LH. In each case the ticket was booked in plain Y, and at check-in I got
an F (C/J in the case of AC and LH) boarding pass. I don't have the boarding
pass stubs handy to check, but I think on AC it was XJ or YJ (by the way, A
and P on AC are discount economy fares).
In some cases (NW, CO, QQ, FL) I got an F seat assignment on the phone at
the time of booking (or the travel agent got it for me); in other cases I
had to wait until check-in to get it. And once on NW and once on UA I was,
in effect, downgraded back to actual Y due to being bumped by actual
full-rev (or otherwise higher priority) F pax.
In any case I've never booked in A or P for these. I have booked in Z, which
is my usual fare class to Europe on UA, and that is positive space in the C
cabin, and the fare is more than full-fare Y but less than C.
--
Michael C. Berch
mcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On Sep 5, 2006, at 3:31 PM, Mark Gerrard wrote:
> This is incorrect.
>
> YUP fares are usually booked in either A or P class. If you do a
> search on any of the major travel booking engines for a business
> class fare, it will be the lowest fare available, which will
> usually be anywhere from $700 to $1200 depending on destination.
> CO are I think the only major carrier that do not do YUP fares,
> they just have straight Z fares which are a discounted business class.
>
> Michael C. Berch wrote:
>> On most (major) airlines it's simply the unadorned Y fare, but
>> you have to check with the airline to make sure it applies to
>> your specific flight. "Y-UP" is not in common use; what usually
>> happens is that you book in Y, and through the reservations desk
>> or the web site you get a seat assignment in F. Then when you
>> check in, you get a real F boarding pass (which is often a
>> different color or style, and gets perks like a lounge, early
>> boarding, etc.). Sometimes the boarding pass is coded with a
>> class like NF, FN, ZF, FZ, or F2. Depends by airline.
>>
>>
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