Crash pads existed in the 1960s. Can't blame todays economic salary conditions. Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "RWM" <RWM@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 2:23 PM Subject: Re: Next Few Days Critical for Northwest > Couldn't afford Danish at those levels of income! And the food stamps for > which those incomes qualify don't cover Danish anyway. > > States prescribe different levels, reflecting regional/local cost of > living. Try being a NYC-based reserve FA or pilot at those wages, > explaining why 'crash pads' exist. > > Mike Bloomberg reluctantly agrees that $32,000 - NYPD salary after 6 > months - is barely making it (but blames it on NYPD salary negotiators). > > > > David MR wrote: > >>Checking the web, I found the following: >>Federal proverty level for 2005: >>Family Size/Annual wages >>1/$9,570 >>2/$12,830 >>3/$16,090 >>4/$19,350 >> >>Median starting flight attendant pay $15,552 >>(http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos171.htm) >>Average starting pilot pay: $14,137. >>(http://www.avjobs.com/table/airsalry.asp) >>Though both are low, neither of these are below the proverty level for a >>family of 1 or 2. >>David R >>Buy Danish >> >>-------------- Original message -------------- >>From: Allan9 <exatc@xxxxxxxxxx> >> >>>Alireza >>>Maybe we need to clarify what you describe as near the poverty level. >>>What do you feel describes that level for pliots and F/As. What do you >>>feel is "fair"?" >>>Now I realize you have a horse in the race but to be fair in discussing >>>the reasonableness of the offer I for one would like to know? >>>My horse put out to stud back in 1994. So I've been gone for awhile. Been >>>a long time since mutual aid days Al >>> >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Alireza Alivandivafa" To: Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:09 PM >>>Subject: Re: Next Few Days Critical for Northwest >>> >>> >>>>Rickenbacker. You missed Howard Hughes in that one. I disagree that >>>>union offers at this point are to be considered unreasonable. F/A's now >>>>live down near the poverty line. The legacies have kept on outsourcing >>>>express flying to airlines that pay pilots below the poverty line, even >>>>when any simple economic analysis can show that they are losing money on >>>>non-turbo prop express flying and would be better off paying more in >>>>wages to fly it themselves. These aren't the days of "Delta + 1 or >>>>United + 1". >>>> >>>>In a message dated 2/17/2006 11:00:50 AM Central Standard Time, >>>>damiross3@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: Both are to be blamed. Unions because of >>>>their unreasonable offers Management because they are bean counters and >>>>view Northwest as just another business. They are not like the great >>>>airline CEO's of the past such as Six, Frye, Trippe, Rickenbecker (sp?), >>>>etc. >>>>