Checking the web, I found the following: Federal proverty level for 2005: Family Size/Annual wages 1/$9,570 2/$12,830 3/$16,090 4/$19,350 Median starting flight attendant pay $15,552 (http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos171.htm) Average starting pilot pay: $14,137. (http://www.avjobs.com/table/airsalry.asp) Though both are low, neither of these are below the proverty level for a family of 1 or 2. David R Buy Danish -------------- Original message -------------- From: Allan9 <exatc@xxxxxxxxxx> > Alireza > > Maybe we need to clarify what you describe as near the poverty level. > What do you feel describes that level for pliots and F/As. > What do you feel is "fair"?" > > Now I realize you have a horse in the race but to be fair in discussing the > reasonableness of the offer I for one would like to know? > > My horse put out to stud back in 1994. So I've been gone for awhile. Been > a long time since mutual aid days > Al > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alireza Alivandivafa" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: Next Few Days Critical for Northwest > > > > Rickenbacker. You missed Howard Hughes in that one. I disagree that > > union > > offers at this point are to be considered unreasonable. F/A's now live > > down > > near the poverty line. The legacies have kept on outsourcing express > > flying to > > airlines that pay pilots below the poverty line, even when any simple > > economic > > analysis can show that they are losing money on non-turbo prop express > > flying > > and would be better off paying more in wages to fly it themselves. These > > aren't the days of "Delta + 1 or United + 1". > > > > > > In a message dated 2/17/2006 11:00:50 AM Central Standard Time, > > damiross3@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: > > Both are to be blamed. > > Unions because of their unreasonable offers > > Management because they are bean counters and view Northwest as just > > another > > business. They are not like the great airline CEO's of the past such as > > Six, > > Frye, Trippe, Rickenbecker (sp?), etc.