Unfortuantely, people think they are entitled to earning top dollar when they start out in their career of choice. They think just because they attended college, flight school, whatever, they should be getting big bucks. David R Buy Danish -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Agarwalla, Niraj" <Niraj.Agarwalla@xxxxxxx> > Are we talking about freshly-minted pilots, or experienced ones? When > you are starting out in your career, don't expect to be paid top dollar. > Put in few years and then start making money. I think this just life. > > -- > Niraj Agarwalla > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of > Bahadir Acuner > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:17 PM > To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: Re: Next Few Days Critical for Northwest > > > 15/hr for an entry level CRJ f/o? That is a poverty level..=20 > Management saying "I'll work with another airline at low low wages" or 5 > on 2 off work schedules at these wages.=20 > Standup reserves (ie you fly 6 pm to 10 pm , you sleep in the plane and > then do 3am departure flying until 10 am the next morning)=20 > =20 > I know people are going to say "noone is putting a gun to their head" .. > but.. when that's the only flying job, then it's different.. > =20 > Look at ACA pilots. If you put years into training, low wages and > upgraded to captain when you started to make a living wage, you find > your self on the street again.. Getting hired on a different airline as > an f/o puts you back into the salary list..=20 > =20 > All these things happen when executives have golden parachutes..=20 > =20 > Baha=20 > Fan of paying well salaries to my employees. I even give them healthcare > coverage.. > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Allan9 > To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 10:01:07 AM > Subject: Re: Next Few Days Critical for Northwest > > > Alireza > > Maybe we need to clarify what you describe as near the poverty level. > What do you feel describes that level for pliots and F/As. > What do you feel is "fair"?" > > Now I realize you have a horse in the race but to be fair in discussing > the=20 > reasonableness of the offer I for one would like to know? > > My horse put out to stud back in 1994. So I've been gone for awhile. > Been=20 > a long time since mutual aid days > Al > > > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: "Alireza Alivandivafa" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 12:09 PM > Subject: Re: Next Few Days Critical for Northwest > > > > Rickenbacker. You missed Howard Hughes in that one. I disagree that=20 > > union > > offers at this point are to be considered unreasonable. F/A's now > live=20 > > down > > near the poverty line. The legacies have kept on outsourcing express=20 > > flying to > > airlines that pay pilots below the poverty line, even when any simple=20 > > economic > > analysis can show that they are losing money on non-turbo prop express > > > flying > > and would be better off paying more in wages to fly it themselves. > These > > aren't the days of "Delta + 1 or United + 1". > > > > > > In a message dated 2/17/2006 11:00:50 AM Central Standard Time, > > damiross3@xxxxxxxxxxx writes: > > Both are to be blamed. > > Unions because of their unreasonable offers > > Management because they are bean counters and view Northwest as just=20 > > another > > business. They are not like the great airline CEO's of the past such > as=20 > > Six, > > Frye, Trippe, Rickenbecker (sp?), etc.