Well, I thought it was aviation related. Guess it has to be about an airline to keep some people happy. Grant SYD QF ---- Bahadir Acuner <bahadiracuner@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > David, > If you have issues with my posts, then talk to moderator of this list. You > and I have limited saying on the 'what's approved and what's not'. > > Poor white trash is an American idiom eh? I am sorry, during my 15 years of > my USA life I never heard of the term..(Do you think?). This tells you right > there about your perception of me.. since I am not an American, I must have > never heard the term. whatever ! > > -----Original Message----- > From: David MR [mailto:damiross3@xxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:39 PM > To: The Airline List; Bahadir Acuner > Subject: RE: Aline Registration Rule goes into effect today.. > > "poor white trash" was sarcasm, not the state of my finances. It's an > American idiom. > > The topic is AIRLINES, not flight instruction > I am an AOPA advocate, too. Yes, I do know about the rule. No, I don't go > posting flight instruction topics to an airline list unless it's about > airline pilot instruction. > > =>-----Original Message----- > =>From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of > =>Bahadir Acuner > =>Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 22:24 > =>To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > =>Subject: Re: Aline Registration Rule goes into effect today.. > => > => > =>David, > =>You are off topic yourself. I happen to be a flight instructor, > =>an aircraft > =>owner, a pilot and an advocate of AOPA. I spent close to 30 hrs since Oct. > =>20th with AOPA to fight this stupid rule. > => > =>I am also in the industry, and happen to know no one is happy about this. > =>But, then again, you judge me, as you usually do. I bet my entire > =>wealth on > =>the fact that you even haven't read the legislation, the docket and the > =>reaction of the thousands of people on FAA's website.. > => > =>Why am I not surprised.. > => > =>As a rule of thumb, I don't reply to your replies to me. This > =>time I am even > =>keeping it within the context. > => > =>Also, FYI, I don't even know the moderator and he also put me on > =>moderation > =>before. I have been poor before many times, I am born white but I > =>never been > =>a trash :) > => > =>Have a great holidays.. > => > =>BAHA > =>Fan of flying > => > =>-----Original Message----- > =>From: David MR [mailto:damiross3@xxxxxxxxxxx] > =>Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:09 PM > =>To: The Airline List; Bahadir Acuner > =>Subject: RE: Aline Registration Rule goes into effect today.. > => > =>You know something? I post something on-topic (i.e. related to > =>the airline > =>industry) and I get put into the moderated status. You post something > =>off-topic constantly and you don't get moderated. Is it because I'm just > =>poor white trash and the you and the moderator aren't? > => > => > =>=>-----Original Message----- > =>=>From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of > =>=>Bahadir Acuner > =>=>Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 21:27 > =>=>To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > =>=>Subject: Aline Registration Rule goes into effect today.. > =>=> > =>=> > =>=>Alien training/citizenship validation rule hits everyone today > =>=>AOPA continues advocacy to lessen impact > =>=>Starting today, any non-U.S. citizen who is beginning training for a new > =>=>certificate or rating in any size powered aircraft must be > =>cleared by the > =>=>Transportation Security Administration, including those who have > =>=>previously > =>=>held pilot certificates. This alien flight training rule applies even to > =>=>resident aliens with a "green card." > =>=> > =>=>And the rule also applies to U.S. citizens as well. That's > =>because flight > =>=>instructors and flight schools are required to check a student's > =>=>citizenship > =>=>before providing training for any new certificate or rating. > =>=> > =>=>"We expect that the TSA will soon announce some changes that AOPA > =>=>advocated > =>=>that will make this rule less intrusive," said Andy Cebula, AOPA > =>=>senior vice > =>=>president of Government and Technical Affairs. "We also pushed > =>=>very hard for > =>=>TSA to treat resident aliens the same as citizens, but TSA > =>=>refuses to budge > =>=>on that issue." > =>=> > =>=>Despite the fact that resident aliens have been investigated and > =>=>fingerprinted by U.S. immigration services, TSA doesn't have > =>=>confidence that > =>=>the process has weeded out potential terrorists. > =>=> > =>=>"Neither do some members of Congress," said Cebula. "We > =>=>understand that many > =>=>AOPA members are resident aliens and have been loyal to this country for > =>=>years. But Congress and the Department of Homeland Security are adamant > =>=>about treating all non-U.S. citizens the same way when it comes > =>to flight > =>=>training." > =>=> > =>=>This lack of confidence can be attributed, in part, to the fiasco that > =>=>ensued when six months after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade > =>=>Center, the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) sent > =>student visa > =>=>approval forms for terrorists Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi to the > =>=>Florida flight school where they had trained. The INS was > =>reorganized and > =>=>absorbed into the Department of Homeland Security and renamed U.S. > =>=>Citizenship and Immigration Services in 2003. > =>=> > =>=>For flight instructors, the rule means that they are required > =>to check the > =>=>citizenship of any student applying for training for a new > =>certificate or > =>=>rating. AOPA had successfully lobbied to get recurrent training and > =>=>proficiency checks excluded from the rule. > =>=> > =>=>AOPA was also successful in obtaining an exemption to the rule for U.S. > =>=>citizens that allows instructors to make a simple logbook entry > =>=>to show that > =>=>they have checked citizenship, rather than having to maintain > =>=>copies of the > =>=>student's proof-of-citizenship papers for five years. > =>=> > =>=>Flight instructors and flight schools training non-U.S. citizens > =>=>have to be > =>=>approved by the TSA. Training providers can register online > =>with the TSA. > =>=>All flight instructors must also complete initial security awareness > =>=>training by January 18, 2005, regardless whether they are > =>training foreign > =>=>nationals or not. > =>=> > =>=>Non-U.S. citizens taking any type of flight training in a powered > =>=>aircraft, > =>=>regardless of size, (gliders, balloons, and airships are > =>exempt) must get > =>=>TSA approval and pay a $130 application fee. They also have to > =>=>submit their > =>=>fingerprints and a photo to TSA. Flight training providers have > =>to verify > =>=>with TSA that the student has been approved for training. > =>=> > =>=>Complete details of who the TSA's Alien Flight Training / Citizenship > =>=>Validation Rule applies to and how to comply with the rule are > =>=>available in > =>=>AOPA's online guide. > =>=>-- > =>=>No virus found in this incoming message. > =>=>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > =>=>Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release Date: 12/20/2004 > =>=> > =>-- > =>No virus found in this outgoing message. > =>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > =>Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release Date: 12/20/2004 > =>-- > =>No virus found in this incoming message. > =>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > =>Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release Date: 12/20/2004 > => > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release Date: 12/20/2004 >