Let's not get personal guys Al ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bahadir Acuner" <bahadiracuner@xxxxxxxxx> To: <AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 1:24 AM Subject: Re: Aline Registration Rule goes into effect today.. > David, > You are off topic yourself. I happen to be a flight instructor, an > aircraft > owner, a pilot and an advocate of AOPA. I spent close to 30 hrs since Oct. > 20th with AOPA to fight this stupid rule. > > I am also in the industry, and happen to know no one is happy about this. > But, then again, you judge me, as you usually do. I bet my entire wealth > on > the fact that you even haven't read the legislation, the docket and the > reaction of the thousands of people on FAA's website.. > > Why am I not surprised.. > > As a rule of thumb, I don't reply to your replies to me. This time I am > even > keeping it within the context. > > Also, FYI, I don't even know the moderator and he also put me on > moderation > before. I have been poor before many times, I am born white but I never > been > a trash :) > > Have a great holidays.. > > BAHA > Fan of flying > > -----Original Message----- > From: David MR [mailto:damiross3@xxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 10:09 PM > To: The Airline List; Bahadir Acuner > Subject: RE: Aline Registration Rule goes into effect today.. > > You know something? I post something on-topic (i.e. related to the > airline > industry) and I get put into the moderated status. You post something > off-topic constantly and you don't get moderated. Is it because I'm just > poor white trash and the you and the moderator aren't? > > > =>-----Original Message----- > =>From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of > =>Bahadir Acuner > =>Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 21:27 > =>To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > =>Subject: Aline Registration Rule goes into effect today.. > => > => > =>Alien training/citizenship validation rule hits everyone today > =>AOPA continues advocacy to lessen impact > =>Starting today, any non-U.S. citizen who is beginning training for a new > =>certificate or rating in any size powered aircraft must be cleared by > the > =>Transportation Security Administration, including those who have > =>previously > =>held pilot certificates. This alien flight training rule applies even to > =>resident aliens with a "green card." > => > =>And the rule also applies to U.S. citizens as well. That's because > flight > =>instructors and flight schools are required to check a student's > =>citizenship > =>before providing training for any new certificate or rating. > => > =>"We expect that the TSA will soon announce some changes that AOPA > =>advocated > =>that will make this rule less intrusive," said Andy Cebula, AOPA > =>senior vice > =>president of Government and Technical Affairs. "We also pushed > =>very hard for > =>TSA to treat resident aliens the same as citizens, but TSA > =>refuses to budge > =>on that issue." > => > =>Despite the fact that resident aliens have been investigated and > =>fingerprinted by U.S. immigration services, TSA doesn't have > =>confidence that > =>the process has weeded out potential terrorists. > => > =>"Neither do some members of Congress," said Cebula. "We > =>understand that many > =>AOPA members are resident aliens and have been loyal to this country for > =>years. But Congress and the Department of Homeland Security are adamant > =>about treating all non-U.S. citizens the same way when it comes to > flight > =>training." > => > =>This lack of confidence can be attributed, in part, to the fiasco that > =>ensued when six months after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade > =>Center, the Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) sent student > visa > =>approval forms for terrorists Mohamed Atta and Marwan Al-Shehhi to the > =>Florida flight school where they had trained. The INS was reorganized > and > =>absorbed into the Department of Homeland Security and renamed U.S. > =>Citizenship and Immigration Services in 2003. > => > =>For flight instructors, the rule means that they are required to check > the > =>citizenship of any student applying for training for a new certificate > or > =>rating. AOPA had successfully lobbied to get recurrent training and > =>proficiency checks excluded from the rule. > => > =>AOPA was also successful in obtaining an exemption to the rule for U.S. > =>citizens that allows instructors to make a simple logbook entry > =>to show that > =>they have checked citizenship, rather than having to maintain > =>copies of the > =>student's proof-of-citizenship papers for five years. > => > =>Flight instructors and flight schools training non-U.S. citizens > =>have to be > =>approved by the TSA. Training providers can register online with the > TSA. > =>All flight instructors must also complete initial security awareness > =>training by January 18, 2005, regardless whether they are training > foreign > =>nationals or not. > => > =>Non-U.S. citizens taking any type of flight training in a powered > =>aircraft, > =>regardless of size, (gliders, balloons, and airships are exempt) must > get > =>TSA approval and pay a $130 application fee. They also have to > =>submit their > =>fingerprints and a photo to TSA. Flight training providers have to > verify > =>with TSA that the student has been approved for training. > => > =>Complete details of who the TSA's Alien Flight Training / Citizenship > =>Validation Rule applies to and how to comply with the rule are > =>available in > =>AOPA's online guide. > =>-- > =>No virus found in this incoming message. > =>Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > =>Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release Date: 12/20/2004 > => > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.2 - Release Date: 12/20/2004 >