Hi Mike! It's sad that such a questionable company had to scoop up such a proud aviation name as Pan Am. In this observer's view, Guilford never really displayed much of a focus on doing WELL with Pan Am. By 'doing well,' I mean growing the airline sensibly, proudly promoting the brand, and cultivating a strategy. They did none of these things, instead hop-scotching around from city to city...never staying in one place long enough to be taken seriously. One could argue that it was never about the airline; how could it be? A railroad company buying an airline and some assets probably seemed 'like a good idea at the time,' and indeed the airline industry has been on a steep slope downward for several years. So, industry dynamics being what they are, Pan Am might not have survived regardless of management. Guilford has such a 'negative' reputation that it's easy to take the view that what eventually happened was 'their fault.' I certainly am on that side. Chris -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Michael A. Burris Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2004 8:37 PM To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Pan American Airlines shuts down, fires 30 pilots AIRLINE: This is horrible! I was just admiring one of their great birds as it was flying out over Revere Beach last Friday morning. It banked to the right heading out over open ocean and then in the distance turned left, I think, perhaps heading home to Portsmouth, NH. This is version 3 down. Who will start version 4? Mike Burris Cambridge, Mass __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Check out the new Yahoo! Front Page. www.yahoo.com