Re: no traffic rights/airline staff right (was fifth freedom rights)

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Al

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryant Petitt" <skyshirts@xxxxxxxxx>
To: "The Airline List" <AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Allan9"
<exatc@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: no traffic rights/airline staff right (was fifth freedom
rights)


> ...Thanks Al,
>
> As far as I remember, there were only about 8 PAX
> onboard. Interesting. Had they been revenue PAX, would
> an FA been required! I guess not, PAX are PAX.
>
> Bryant Petitt
> Cumming, GA
> --- Allan9 <exatc@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Bryant
> > Normally that flight would have been operated under
> > FAR Part 91 rather than
> > FAR Part 121 (Normal Air Carrier FAR).  Under FAR
> > 121 as I understand it if
> > there were more than 25-30 passengers (rev or
> > non-rev) flight attendents
> > would be required.  It may have been an insurance
> > requirement that the
> > passengers were asked the question.
> > Al
> > .
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bryant Petitt" <skyshirts@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:55 AM
> > Subject: Re: no traffic rights/airline staff right
> > (was fifth freedom
> > rights)
> >
> >
> > > ...This is kinda off the topic, but one time as a
> > gate
> > > agent for DL, I helped dispatch a Ferry flight
> > that
> > > had DL non-revs on it (no revenue PAX). No Flight
> > > Attendants, but someone had to come on before the
> > > flight was dispatched, and as I remember they all
> > had
> > > to say that they were aware of the Emergency
> > > Procedures, etc.
> > >
> > > I don't know if this followed the rules or not,
> > but
> > > the plane sure was dispatched without F/A's.
> > >
> > > Interesting, and that was the only instance I was
> > > involved in that particular scenario.....
> > >
> > > Bryant Petitt
> > > Cumming, GA
> > >
> > > --- Mike Tobin <mtobin@xxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > > I thought an airline couldn't even carry
> > staff
> > > > if they didn't have
> > > > > > traffic rights?
> > > >
> > > > > yes I thinks JAL,KAL  and Singapore have
> > flights
> > > > NYC to Anchorage
> > > > > (ANC)-Tokyo /Singapore/Seoul
> > > > > (depending on which airline we are talking
> > about
> > > > > and I belive all of them have a crew based in
> > ANC
> > > >
> > > > JAL used to have pax flights between NYC and
> > Tokyo
> > > > that stopped in ANC. No local traffic rights
> > between
> > > > ANC and JFK, but non-revs could fly it. Great
> > > > nonstop service. Now JAL flight numbers 5 and 6
> > fly
> > > > overhead ANC nonstop between the two bigger
> > cities.
> > > > Korean at times has had pax flights from ANC to
> > the
> > > > east or midwest that non-revs could board.
> > Singapore
> > > > just has freighters through ANC so no pax
> > > > opportunities. All 3 have major freighter
> > operations
> > > > via ANC where crew changes occur, but as far as
> > I
> > > > know, Singapore doesn't base any in ANC.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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