So... what's the deal? =20 Ok, so MCI's phycial terminals may not be the best with post 9/11 security. =20 So, what's the deal with STL? Why is it like the hot potato that no one wants? Maybe the same could be said about PIT? =20 What makes a good hub? =20 Clay - SEA Fan of a class I saw at a college once called "Airport Design" =20 -----Original Message----- From: damiross2@xxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:damiross2@xxxxxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 9:57 AM To: The Airline List; Clay Wardlow; bahadiracuner@xxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: [AIRLINE] Show Me the black hole =20 By definition, a hub airport is an airport where you have many flights coming in and many flights going out in a short period of time. The purpose of all these flights is to take people from one airport to another airport via the hub. O&D traffic is nice but not necessary for a hub. I believe if you have a decent airport layout, you could have a hub with very little O&D traffic. MCI failed as a hub because the airlines that hubbed there were mismanaged. STL failed as a hub because AA didn't need a hub located just a hour or so from its ORD hub and 1.5 or so hours from its DFW hub. David R The person moderated by the absentee list owner who never ever moderates or explains why a person is placed on moderation. -------------- Original message --------------=20 =09 > Is it just that there isn't enough O&D traffic in and out of MCI or STL=20 > to really support a hub?=20 >=20 > What makes STL different than DEN?=20 >=20 > Clay - SEA=20 > Also a fan of DEN (will be there on Friday, also a fan of F9)=20 >=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: Bahadir Acuner [mailto:bahadiracuner@xxxxxxxxx]=20 > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:40 AM=20 > Subject: Re: Show Me the black hole=20 >=20 > Clay,=20 > There is no point in connecting or having a hub in a place that provides=20 > low=20 > levels of O&D traffic. Of course, MCI 's terminal sucks, so that's=20 > another=20 > reason.=20 >=20 > If you look at the US map, the only hubs left in the middle of US are=20 > also=20 > great O&D generators: ORD, MSP, DFW, DEN.=20 >=20 > BAHA=20 > Fan of DEN airport=20 >=20 > -----Original Message-----=20 > From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of=20 > Clay=20 > Wardlow=20 > Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:56 AM=20 > To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=20 > Subject: Show Me the black hole=20 >=20 > One question I posed to the list got me thinking....=20 >=20 > =3D20=20 >=20 > Why is Missouri such a black hole when it comes to hub operations at MCI=20 > or STL?=20 >=20 > =3D20=20 >=20 > Aside from TWA/AA and Vanguard, what other airlines have tried to have=20 > major operations in the Show Me State? Why did they fail?=20 >=20 > =3D20=20 >=20 > Clay - SEA=20 >=20 > Born in JLN=20