Is it just that there isn't enough O&D traffic in and out of MCI or STL to really support a hub? What makes STL different than DEN? Clay - SEA Also a fan of DEN (will be there on Friday, also a fan of F9) -----Original Message----- From: Bahadir Acuner [mailto:bahadiracuner@xxxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 8:40 AM Subject: Re: Show Me the black hole Clay, There is no point in connecting or having a hub in a place that provides low levels of O&D traffic. Of course, MCI 's terminal sucks, so that's another reason. If you look at the US map, the only hubs left in the middle of US are also great O&D generators: ORD, MSP, DFW, DEN. BAHA Fan of DEN airport -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Clay Wardlow Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 7:56 AM To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Show Me the black hole One question I posed to the list got me thinking.... =3D20 Why is Missouri such a black hole when it comes to hub operations at MCI or STL? =3D20 Aside from TWA/AA and Vanguard, what other airlines have tried to have major operations in the Show Me State? Why did they fail? =3D20 Clay - SEA Born in JLN