Tilton has only been with United since September 2002. -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alireza Alivandivafa Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 12:30 PM To: AIRLINE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Ted In a message dated 11/20/2003 7:25:14 AM Pacific Standard Time, clay.wardlow@xxxxxxxx writes: << Exactly, Shuttle didn't work. I don't think this will. People who are all into United will say that this is a good thing and they will fly them, but I think the general public won't. They are one of the big guys, why don't they just admit it and fix themselves before they try to take on a market they really don't understand (as proven by Shuttle)? I mean, who over there is on drugs? >> Um, Glen Tilton and anyone else who has worked there since 1990. I mean, even when they were making record profits, they were sewing the seeds of failure by running 744s with something like 301 seats!! Yes, J class is important, but not that important. Also, they should have never changed the color of the planes, but that is a whole different story.