In a message dated 10/29/2003 11:48:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, gjmck@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: << You used to be a controller, didn't you Al? Grant SYD QF Fan of people posting who know what they are talking about. >> Since I know that is a dig at me, let me explain my credentials. While I am not a controller, my uncle has been one for more than 15 years. He has taught me the ins and outs of ATC and I have been up in many towers and know what their job it. Al and I have talked at length about ATC, and I think he will vouch for my knowledge. AA A rare fan of line saying he is a fan of people showing a bit more respect to others