In a message dated 10/29/2003 3:41:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, mcb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes: << I've taken BA287 from LHR to SFO a number of times since 1987, and it's still going strong, leaving around 1300 and arriving around 1700, seasonally adjusted. I think it's been around since the '70s. In fact, if I happen to be looking out the northeast windows of my office building at the right time, I can usually see it land. >> LH 450/451 and 456/457 have been the FRA-LAX-FRA numbers for a very long time. Ever since my first international flight in 1986, at least.