Re: Wired: Judge to Hear Air ID Challenge

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Has it ever been proven that requiring id has stopped a hijacking?  I think
the main reason it is done is because the airlines want to make sure the
person who's name is on the ticket is the one who actually is flying.  In
other words, if someone can't use his ticket, they don't want any one else
to be able to fly on that ticket.

ID's are easy to forge - I don't think someone who is going to hijack a
plane is going to worry about something as inconsequential as an ID.

David Ross
http://home.attbi.com/~damiross/airlines.html

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Fuoco" <jfuoco@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2003 20:47
Subject: Re: [AIRLINE] Wired: Judge to Hear Air ID Challenge


> What do you mean about time??
>
> This guy is a nut.
>
> I hope the judge sends him to h*** and orders him to stay away from
> airports for the rest of his life.
>
>
>
> On Sun, 19 Jan 2003, David Ross wrote:
>
> > About time!
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Judge to Hear Air ID Challenge
> >
> > http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,57276,00.html
> >
> > By Julia Scheeres
> >
> > San Francisco -- A U.S. District Court judge agreed to hear a challenge
to an airline requirement that forces passengers to show identification
before boarding a plane, despite a motion by the government and two airlines
to dismiss it.
> >
> > John Gilmore, the co-founder of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, has
sued United Airlines, Southwest Airlines and Attorney General John Ashcroft,
alleging that the ID requirement stems from a "secret law" that violates his
right to anonymous travel within the United States.
> >
> > The case stems from two July 4 incidents in which Gilmore refused to
show his ID at San Francisco and Oakland airports before boarding
cross-country flights. Southwest refused to let him board without
identifying himself, while United said he could board if he submitted to a
hand search, which he refused.
> >
> > Gilmore, a longtime libertarian, arrived at the federal building wearing
Birkenstocks and a purple suit jacket. Pinned to the lapel, was a button
with the words "suspected terrorist" superimposed over the shape of an
airplane.
> >
> > "If there's a law that requires the public to show an ID, we ought to
know about it," he said after the hearing. He maintains that the mere demand
for an ID is an unreasonable requirement that violates the Fourth Amendment.
> >
> > His attorney, William Simpich, argued before Judge Susan Illston that
the requirement that Americans show their ID for domestic travel was the
equivalent of creating an internal passport that allows authorities to
monitor people's movements and activities in the United States.
Additionally, he argued that United Airlines' requirement that Gilmore
either show his ID or be frisked violated Fourth Amendment protections
against unreasonable searches.
> >
> > Justice Department Attorney Joseph Lobue argued that the ID rule was
necessary to ensure aviation safety.
> >
> > "The only way airlines can compare passenger lists with terrorists is by
asking for an ID," said Lobue, adding that searches to prevent passengers
from boarding with weapons were not unreasonable, and therefore did not
violate the Fourth Amendment.
> >
> > Gilmore said that before Sept. 11, he flew several times without showing
an ID, and that he fears the government is building a "dragnet" to track the
movements of innocent citizens.
> >
> > Brian Kalt, a constitutional law expert at Michigan State University,
opined that Gilmore's Fourth Amendment argument would fail, especially after
Sept. 11, when searches of airline passengers became more reasonable.
> >
> > "Gilmore might have a stronger argument about the alleged secret
regulation," Kalt said. "There are statutory requirements about publicizing
rules that affect people's rights, and assuming hypothetically that his
claims are true, these requirements might have been violated. But the remedy
is not to overturn the rules, it is just to publicize them."
> >

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