ETOPS was called EROPS (Extended Range Ops). They may change it back to that acronym. EROPS/ETOPS has never applied to non-commercial operations. Twin bizjets have been crossing oceans for years. David Ross http://home.attbi.com/~damiross/airlines.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gerard M Foley" <gfoley@columbus.rr.com> To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU> Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 19:49 Subject: Re: [AIRLINE] FAA amd ETOPs > Thanks for the information on the A340 and ATL-JNB. > > Are foreign airline flights originating or terminating in the US subject to > FAA rules such as those governing ETOPS? > > I note from other respondents that the acronym will have to be changed if > the rule is extended to three and four engine airplanes. (:-)) > > By the way, is there something corresponding to it relating to single engine > planes? Couldn't have applied to Voyager, could it? I guess neither person > was a paying passenger in that case. > > Gerry > http://foley.ultinet.net/~gerry/africar/africa.html > http://home.columbus.rr.com/gfoley > http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/pollock/263/egypt/egypt.html > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick Laflamme" <dplaflamme@alumni.nd.edu> > To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU> > Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:15 AM > Subject: Re: FAA amd ETOPs > > > > At 10:53 AM 12/18/2002 -0500, you wrote: > > >Do any U.S. airlines fly A340? > > > > No. > > > > >Apparently the proposed change of 4-engine ETOPS rules might require > > >change of some B747 routes. > > > > You mean the proposal that three and four-engined jets will also have to > > observe the 207 minute rule, I presume. > > > > >A couple of weeks ago I took the SAA B747-400 non-stop from Atlanta to > > >Jo'berg. Does that route keep within the ETOPS distances all the way? > > > > Time to remind people of gc.kls2.com. :-) > > > > ATL-JNB is shown as within 180 minute limits, and the proposal is for 207 > > minute limits. They'd have to use a slightly longer course at 138 minute > > limits (2 hours plus 15%; 207 minutes is 3 hours plus 15%), but that's not > > the proposal. > > > > Nick > > >