And of course the reverse scenario 'excuse.' ACYYZ-YVR-HKG, would pick pax up in YVR, but not drop them off from YYZ. It was a pity at the time as AC012/11 was a comfy 340-300 and left YYZ at 2130-2200 making it a guaranteed last-flight out of Toronto to Vancouver. You could get caught up in La Guardia traffic for a long time and still make it home to Vancouver. Now they do. Not sure what they do on the reverse. Matthew On Monday, December 9, 2002, at 08:12 PM, Mark Greenwood wrote: > I would guess that the flight progressively clears customs and that's > why they > can't sell YYT-YHZ as a domestic sector. AC used to operate an > MIA-YYZ-YUL > service and the YYZ-YUL sector could not be sold as a domestic flight > for that > very reason. > > Mark > > tdugan@fuse.net wrote: > >> Its a slow night at work so I did some digging on the Deltamatic and >> foun= >> d what I think is the routing for the flights in question... >> >> The aircraft seems to start and finish in Toronto stopping in Halifax >> and= >> St. Johns in its way to and from Heathrow. Its daily service too >> from w= >> hat I can see. >> >> Here are the skeds: >> >> FLT INFO AC 626/ 9DEC = >> >> LOF ARR DEP ETA ON IN ETD OUT OFF ACF ELPD ACCUM MILES >> YYZ 500P 763 = >> >> YHZ 759P 1.59 802 >> >> FLT INFO AC 860/ 9DEC = >> >> LOF ARR DEP ETA ON IN ETD OUT OFF ACF ELPD ACCUM MILES >> YHZ 915P 763 = >> >> YYT 1115P 1155P 763 1.30 549 >> LHR 825A=A51 5.00 7.10 2316 >> >> And Back: >> >>> 2AC861< = >> >> FLT INFO AC 861/ 9DEC = >> >> LOF ARR DEP ETA ON IN ETD OUT OFF ACF ELPD ACCUM MILES >> LHR 1130A 763 = >> >> YYT 140P 230P 763 5.40 2316 >> YHZ 342P 1.42 8.12 549 >> FACTS- >> 1. YYTYHZ = >> >> NO LOCAL OR CONNECTING OR STOPOVER TRAFFIC >> >> FLT INFO AC 627/ 9DEC = >> >> LOF ARR DEP ETA ON IN ETD OUT OFF ACF ELPD ACCUM MILES >> YHZ 500P 763 = >> >> YYZ 629P 2.29 802 >> FACTS- >> >> I'm not sure why they can sell YHZ-YYT but not YYT-YHZ on the return. >> So= >> me kind of service authority or customs issue maybe? >> >> cheers- >> >> Tom >> >>> From: Michael Burris <yul@prodigy.net> >>> Date: 2002/12/09 Mon PM 12:30:32 EST >>> To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU >>> Subject: Re: Woman falls asleep on flight to St. John's, >>> wakes up in England .......... >>> = >> >>> AIRLINE: >>> = >> >>> So this means that a wide-body was in service on this >>> route for a turnaround? Interesting! I wonder who is >>> legally liable for her delays as a result? Kind of >>> funny, but it couldn't have more serious had she had a >>> medical condition and needed that medication ASAP. >>> To bad she was a sound sleeper! >>> = >> >>> -- Mike Burris >>> Cambridge, Mass >>> ---------------------------------------- >>> --- Roger James <ejames@escape.ca> wrote: >>>> Woman falls asleep on flight to St. John's, wakes up >>>> in England ,,,,,,Air >>>> Canada staff didn't wake her up, wouldn't turn plane >>>> around >>>> Brian Callahan >>>> Citizen Special Monday, December 09, 2002 >>>> >>>> >>>> Catherine Coyle had been flying home to St. John's >>>> from Halifax. The >>>> journey normally takes 90 minutes. It took her 15 >>>> hours. ST. JOHN'S, Nfld. >>>> -- A Newfoundland woman is demanding answers from >>>> Air Canada after her >>>> 90-minute flight home became a 15-hour odyssey to >>>> England and back. >>>> Catherine Coyle, 39, who moved to Halifax 10 years >>>> ago, was flying home to >>>> the Newfoundland capital late Thursday to be with >>>> her ailing mother. She >>>> fell asleep shortly after the flight left Halifax, >>>> tired after days of not >>>> sleeping and worrying about her mother. When she >>>> woke up several hours >>>> later, she immediately sensed something was wrong. >>>> "I woke up about 1 a.m. >>>> and noticed that there was a different person >>>> sitting next to me," she >>>> said. "Then the pilot announced the possible arrival >>>> time and that the >>>> flying time would be four-and-a-half hours. I was >>>> shocked." >>>> >>>> Ms. Coyle approached a flight attendant for an >>>> explanation and was told the >>>> flight was almost 30 minutes out of St. John's and >>>> headed to London, >>>> England. "I told him my family, my luggage, my >>>> medication, my clothes ... >>>> is back in Newfoundland. And I said, 'I've got to >>>> get off this plane.' " >>>> But Air Canada denied her request to turn the plane >>>> around. >>>> Back in St. John's, her sister and mother were >>>> waiting at the airport. They >>>> had her luggage, but there was no sign of Ms. Coyle. >>>> They began to worry >>>> and eventually called the RCMP. Sitting in an aisle >>>> seat in the middle of >>>> the plane, Ms. Coyle said she can't understand how >>>> the flight crew didn't >>>> notice her or ask to see her ticket before leaving >>>> for England. >>>> >>>> "I asked about head counts and the steward said he >>>> did and it worked out >>>> perfect," she said. "But apparently they only >>>> counted the boarding passes >>>> or something, not the individual passengers." She >>>> spent only two hours in >>>> London before boarding a return flight to St. >>>> John's, for which she didn't >>>> have to pay. An official from Air Canada told her >>>> someone would call her >>>> today to discuss the incident. "Whoever was on that >>>> plane is going to get a >>>> blast," Ms. Coyle said. "It must even be illegal or >>>> something for them to >>>> take me to another country with no passport, >>>> nothing." 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