I do belive the Hicks in GA have more guns than the Slickers in the city. -----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU] On Behalf Of Bryant Petitt Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2002 8:18 AM To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU Subject: Re: No guns for our airline pilots ...... ....Whoa, Jump back....JP, Gee Whiz, sounds like we all should be an armed camp according to you. But then again you live in New Yawk where guns are a fact of life (and death). I know one damn thing, If I owned a gun (I am one of the very FEW people who Don't own a gun in Forsyth County GA), I would probably shoot myself in the foot trying to use it. Bryant Petitt Cumming, GA --- "www.joepries.com" <airlinephoto@yahoo.com> wrote: > Baha, to you and mrs: "We want that individual to > focus on being a pilot, not a law enforcement > officer," Mr. Collenette said -I say this: > I feel sorry for you or your family if you are ever > on a commercial flight and terrorists with box > cutters take it over and want to crash it and they > end up stabbing your pilots to death, but if they > had a gun the pilots could have shot them dead. > (ofcourse i hope this never happens to you but you > get my point) > bring on the firepower, 9/11- NEVER AGAIN > Joe > Bahadir Acuner <bahadiracuner@yahoo.com> wrote:Why > do I love Canada more and more??? > I guess it's true that Canada is Soviet Canakistan > as > Buchanan called it :) > > BAHA ACUNER - CFI,CFII,MEI > Fan of flying in a non weapon cockpit > www.bahadiracuner.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: The Airline List > [mailto:AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of > Roger James > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:03 AM > To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU > Subject: No guns for our airline pilots ...... > > > No guns for our airline pilots ...Collenette firmly > shoots down idea of > arming crews to deter terrorists > Glen McGregor The Ottawa Citizen Tuesday, December > 03, 2002 > > Transport Minister David Collenette yesterday doused > any possibility of > arming Canadian airline pilots and said he is > concerned about U.S. pilots > flying into Canada carrying guns. Under a law that > came into force last > month, American pilots will be allowed to carry > firearms in the cockpit on > a voluntary basis, once they are properly trained > and certified. The rule > also applies to international routes, which means > pilots could be armed on > flights arriving in Canada from the U.S. But Mr. > Collenette says that there > are "cultural differences" between the U.S. and > Canada over guns and says > he stands "totally opposed" to putting pistols in > pilots' hands. "We want > that individual to focus on being a pilot, not a law enforcement > officer," Mr. Collenette said during testimony before a Senate > committee studying > airline security. "What's the next step, arming bus > drivers, subway > drivers, taxi drivers? Pretty soon we're going to > end up with a firearms > regime very much like our American friends. I would > say we have a better > society here because we have stricter gun > enforcement laws." But Mr. > Collenette will have to address the topic in > discussions with counterparts > in the U.S. administration because of the border > issues the new law creates. > > Currently, peace officers from the U.S. -- including > the undercover air > marshals -- can carry weapons into Canada under a > memo-of-understanding, but Mr. Collenette said he does not consider > pilots to be peace officers. > He says Transport Canada will have to negotiate an > agreement with the U.S. > Transportation Security Administration, which will > run the program. "We > cannot prevent U.S. carriers from having pilots that > are armed flying over > Canada or to Canada," he said. "But the moment that > plane lands on Canadian > soil, the plane and crew are subject to Canadian > law." But the lobby group > that led the drive to arm pilots in the U.S. says it > believes that pilots > could be included under existing agreements because > the pilots who > volunteer for the program will become deputized as > federal flight deck > officers under the same jurisdiction as air > marshals. "We would anticipate > the same sort of requirements for our federal air > marshals would apply to > our pilots as well," said Capt. Marc Feigenblatt of > the Airline Pilots > Security Alliance. Provisions could also be made to > have the pilots stow > their weapons either in an airport armoury or in a > locked safe in the > aircraft, as air marshals currently do in some > countries, Capt. Feigenblatt > said. > The pilots will likely be carrying heavy artillery > when they come: There > are two weapons under consideration for use -- the > SigSauer P229, a .357 > pistol currently used by air marshals, and the Glock > 23, a .40 calibre > pistol popular in police forces. > Capt. Feigenblatt estimates as many as 60 per cent > of all U.S. pilots will > volunteer for the program. With two pilots flying > most aircraft, that > percentage will put a gun in every cockpit on > average. > > The level of support appears weaker among Canadian > aviators. The Air Canada > Pilots Association recently polled its members and > found that a majority > did not want guns. But many felt they would like to > have the option of > carrying non-lethal weapons such as Tasers, which > discharge an > incapacitating but harmless electric shock. The > union would prefer to see a > double-door system installed in cockpits to keep > intruders out. The other > major pilots union, the Canadian wing of the Air > Line Pilots Association, > is also lukewarm to the idea. "In Canada we don't > feel this is an issue > culturally, nor security-wise is it a requirement," > said ALPA's Art > Laflamme. "It's not something we're pursuing right > now." In his testimony > to the Senate committee on National Security and > Defence, Mr. Collenette > noted that he had also shown similarly strong > opposition to the idea of > Canadian air marshals program in the weeks following > the terrorist strikes > on the U.S. But Canada was forced by the U.S. > Federal Aviation > Administration to start putting armed RCMP officers > on flights into Reagan > National Airport in Washington, D.C., and the > program was later expanded to > other select international and domestic flights > originating in Canada. "In > a civil society, surely we should be ensuring the > security is tough so > (terrorists) don't get on planes and objects don't > get stowed and the > cockpit is secure," he said yesterday. > > > The owner of Roger's Trinbago Site: > Roj (Roger James) > *************************************************** > escape email mailto:ejames@escape.ca > Trinbago site: http://www.tntisland.com > CBC Website http://www.tntisland.com/caribbeanbrassconnection/ > The Trinbago Site of the Week: > (Island Events) http://www.islandevents.com > (Island Events) > courtesy of Roj Trinbago Website & TnT Web Directory > Roj's Trinbago Website: http://www.tntisland.com > TnT Web Directory: http://search.co.tt > ********************************************************* > > Joe Pries Commercial Aviation Photography > Serving the airline industry with quality > photography > AOL IM AIRLINE72 > http://www.joepries.com > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. 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