And I feel sorry for you Joe if your pilot mistakes something for a hijack attempt, fires the gun causing explosive decompression and you plummet 39,000 ft to a very very hard landing. The solution is to make sure that box cutters never make it onto another aircraft, not turning pilots into gunslingers. "www.joepries.com" wrote: > Baha, to you and mrs: "We want that individual to focus on being a pilot, not a law enforcement officer," Mr. Collenette said -I say this: > I feel sorry for you or your family if you are ever on a commercial flight and terrorists with box cutters take it over and want to crash it and they end up stabbing your pilots to death, but if they had a gun the pilots could have shot them dead. (ofcourse i hope this never happens to you but you get my point) > bring on the firepower, 9/11- NEVER AGAIN > Joe > Bahadir Acuner <bahadiracuner@yahoo.com> wrote:Why do I love Canada more and more??? > I guess it's true that Canada is Soviet Canakistan as > Buchanan called it :) > > BAHA ACUNER - CFI,CFII,MEI > Fan of flying in a non weapon cockpit > www.bahadiracuner.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of > Roger James > Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2002 11:03 AM > To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU > Subject: No guns for our airline pilots ...... > > No guns for our airline pilots ...Collenette firmly shoots down idea of > arming crews to deter terrorists > Glen McGregor The Ottawa Citizen Tuesday, December 03, 2002 > > Transport Minister David Collenette yesterday doused any possibility of > arming Canadian airline pilots and said he is concerned about U.S. pilots > flying into Canada carrying guns. Under a law that came into force last > month, American pilots will be allowed to carry firearms in the cockpit on > a voluntary basis, once they are properly trained and certified. The rule > also applies to international routes, which means pilots could be armed on > flights arriving in Canada from the U.S. But Mr. Collenette says that there > are "cultural differences" between the U.S. and Canada over guns and says > he stands "totally opposed" to putting pistols in pilots' hands. "We want > that individual to focus on being a pilot, not a law enforcement officer," > Mr. Collenette said during testimony before a Senate committee studying > airline security. "What's the next step, arming bus drivers, subway > drivers, taxi drivers? Pretty soon we're going to end up with a firearms > regime very much like our American friends. I would say we have a better > society here because we have stricter gun enforcement laws." But Mr. > Collenette will have to address the topic in discussions with counterparts > in the U.S. administration because of the border issues the new law creates. > > Currently, peace officers from the U.S. -- including the undercover air > marshals -- can carry weapons into Canada under a memo-of-understanding, > but Mr. Collenette said he does not consider pilots to be peace officers. > He says Transport Canada will have to negotiate an agreement with the U.S. > Transportation Security Administration, which will run the program. "We > cannot prevent U.S. carriers from having pilots that are armed flying over > Canada or to Canada," he said. "But the moment that plane lands on Canadian > soil, the plane and crew are subject to Canadian law." But the lobby group > that led the drive to arm pilots in the U.S. says it believes that pilots > could be included under existing agreements because the pilots who > volunteer for the program will become deputized as federal flight deck > officers under the same jurisdiction as air marshals. "We would anticipate > the same sort of requirements for our federal air marshals would apply to > our pilots as well," said Capt. Marc Feigenblatt of the Airline Pilots > Security Alliance. Provisions could also be made to have the pilots stow > their weapons either in an airport armoury or in a locked safe in the > aircraft, as air marshals currently do in some countries, Capt. Feigenblatt > said. > The pilots will likely be carrying heavy artillery when they come: There > are two weapons under consideration for use -- the SigSauer P229, a .357 > pistol currently used by air marshals, and the Glock 23, a .40 calibre > pistol popular in police forces. > Capt. Feigenblatt estimates as many as 60 per cent of all U.S. pilots will > volunteer for the program. With two pilots flying most aircraft, that > percentage will put a gun in every cockpit on average. > > The level of support appears weaker among Canadian aviators. The Air Canada > Pilots Association recently polled its members and found that a majority > did not want guns. But many felt they would like to have the option of > carrying non-lethal weapons such as Tasers, which discharge an > incapacitating but harmless electric shock. The union would prefer to see a > double-door system installed in cockpits to keep intruders out. The other > major pilots union, the Canadian wing of the Air Line Pilots Association, > is also lukewarm to the idea. "In Canada we don't feel this is an issue > culturally, nor security-wise is it a requirement," said ALPA's Art > Laflamme. "It's not something we're pursuing right now." In his testimony > to the Senate committee on National Security and Defence, Mr. Collenette > noted that he had also shown similarly strong opposition to the idea of > Canadian air marshals program in the weeks following the terrorist strikes > on the U.S. But Canada was forced by the U.S. Federal Aviation > Administration to start putting armed RCMP officers on flights into Reagan > National Airport in Washington, D.C., and the program was later expanded to > other select international and domestic flights originating in Canada. "In > a civil society, surely we should be ensuring the security is tough so > (terrorists) don't get on planes and objects don't get stowed and the > cockpit is secure," he said yesterday. > > The owner of Roger's Trinbago Site: > Roj (Roger James) > *************************************************** > escape email mailto:ejames@escape.ca > Trinbago site: http://www.tntisland.com > CBC Website > http://www.tntisland.com/caribbeanbrassconnection/ > The Trinbago Site of the Week: > (Island Events) http://www.islandevents.com > (Island Events) > courtesy of Roj Trinbago Website & TnT Web Directory > Roj's Trinbago Website: http://www.tntisland.com > TnT Web Directory: http://search.co.tt > ********************************************************* > > Joe Pries Commercial Aviation Photography > Serving the airline industry with quality photography > AOL IM AIRLINE72 > http://www.joepries.com > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. 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