In a message dated 9/20/2002 12:05:39 PM Central Standard Time, DZTOPS@aol.com writes: > WaterskiPilot@aol.com writes: > > << most of the airplanes either had > no reversers or they were permanently pinned/deactivated. >> > > Why? are they expensive to operate or??? > Dennis > Thrust Reversers (TRs) were/are an optional item on Learjets. They do weigh more than the standard nozzle (obviously). The early Lear 35s that I flew (30 of them between s/n 48 and 480) had two types of TRs available. First the Dee Howards, they were hydraulically operated, bucket type, very reliable, and NOT permenantly deferrable. If we had an airplane that had Dee Howard TRs, we were happy, although company policy (for some reason) was to only use Idle deploy, and not to pull the sub-throttles up beyond deploy. Second, the Aeronca reversers, pneumatically operated, cascade type, VERY effective, VERY prone to fail by sticking open or in transit or not deploying at all (I personally experienced the latter on my type-rating ride). The "air-knockers" were more complicated by design and needed to be lubricated every four to six deployments. Since we flew six or more legs a night with the freight, you can see why we couldn't use them reliably. They could also be deferred permenantly by following the directions in the MEL, IIRC that included a couple bolts to pin the sleeve and blocker doors in the stowed position and disconnecting and capping the bleed air line. Since reliability was one of the company's selling points it made business sense to pin the Aeroncas. Another thing about those Learjets, many of them have a drag chute that could be used on landing for emergency stopping. It is a dragster style X chute that has a pistol grip in the cockpit for deployment. It is way cool to say your airplane has a drag chute. That's all for now, I get six hours of new Security training and two hours of ILS PRM training tomorrow, yippee. :-) Jim Hann Waterski J-41 Captain Lambert-St. Louis Airport (STL/KSTL)