-----Original Message----- From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of damiross@attbi.com Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 8:07 AM To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU Subject: Re: U.S. Won't Allow Guns in Cockpits 1. Many, if not most, airline pilots are either currently in the military (i.e. National Guard/AF reserve) or are ex-military. Therefore, they have weapons training. Many times, this would be better training than the air marshalls. This really doesn't matter at all. You can be ex Green Berret if you want. But a pilot is hired for piloting duties, not for "guarding the planes". 2. The pilots would be given training specifically on the use of weapons in aircraft "See my reply to #1". 3. A locked cockpit door will not stop a terrorist wanting to get into the cockpit. However, once it (yes, "it" for a terrorist is not human) gets into the cockpit, it would be good to have a final line of defense Of course not. I didn't say "lock the door, and you will be safe". All I am saying is, the on the ground security has to be good enough so that pax can be safe. The terrorists of 9/11 had box cuttes, so that did the job. Do you think that if pilots had the guns that would do the job? I don't think so because it was a normal hijack case, and pilots were trained to obey the hijackers until they were on the ground. If they had guns, then the terrorists would bring explosives on board. Would you shoot at a guy who is holding an explosive, or the pin of a hand grenade? 4. The reason this nation still has most of its freedoms is because its citizens are armed. There are countless numbers of incidents where the homeowner with a gun has pervented injuries/robberies from criminals. This nation is the ONLY developed nation in the Western World that it's armed to its teeth. I know I will get accused of being "tree hugger" but it's better than being a "gun hugger". :) I guess I made myself clear in terms of where I stand on this issue. Since it's not completely aviation related I will leave it at that.. 5. Up until just a few years ago, pilots were allowed to carry weapons in the cockpit. This fact seems to be conveniently overlooked by the media and the idiots we call representatives and senators. Why they are not allowed anymore? Whoever might have changed that, gets my vote. :) 6. If a pilot's job is the "safety of transporting the pax... from point A to point B," doesn't that automatically include the pax's security? No! Not at all... If a pilot's job is the security of the passangers, then I want to be searched by them when I am boarding my aircraft.. See how silly it sounds.. BAHA Fan of dealing with my flight not worrying about the gun in my cockpit --- David Ross http://home.attbi.com/~damiross > I am glad that finally has figured out the dangers of arming the > cockpits. I applaud the decision of not arming the pilots. > > Let's face it people, a pilot's job is to safety of transporting > the pax and cargo from point A to point B. That doesn't and > should not involve providing the security of the pax. There are > other people who are paid to do that job!!! > > This nations is armed up to its neck already!! Arming the pilots > will not be a solution .. Period.. > > BAHA > Fan of being anti-gun > > -----Original Message----- > From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of > Peter Schneider > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 9:30 AM > To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU > Subject: Re: U.S. Won't Allow Guns in Cockpits > > > Don't people realize what happens when a gun is fired in a pressurized > aircraft? > > > *******************Internet Email Confidentiality Footer******************* > The contents of this e-mail message (including any attachments hereto) are > confidential to and are intended to be conveyed for the use of the > recipient to whom it is addressed only. If you receive this transmission in > error, please notify the sender of this immediately and delete the message > from your system. Any distribution, reproduction or use of this message by > someone other than recipient is not authorized and may be unlawful.