Re: If I ran United...

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As Matthew correctly pointed out, there is a BIG difference between
the practice at WN and the "Majors". The latter are NOT happy
with back to back tickets and are making significant inroads into
their elimination - TA's beware!.

Liam.
YVR.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Montano" <mmontano@direct.ca>
To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 8:41 PM
Subject: Re: If I ran United...


> Most, if not all airlines try and catch back-to-back by having a clause
tha=
> t
> threatens cancellation of all outstanding segments if you book segments
tha=
> t
> you don=B9t intend to travel on. The classic definition of back-to-back
yield=
> s
> a situation where you physically can=B9t take the flights you=B9ve booked.
>
> WN may permit it, but they have clauses regarding the use of unused
segment=
> s
> that make it unappealing. WN also have pricing that differs from major=B9s
> standard pricing practice; their pricing is mostly segment based rather
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> n
> round-trip discounting.
>
> Matthew=20
>
>
>
> On 5/6/02 8:18 PM, "Addison Schonland" <addison@schonland.com> wrote:
>
> > back to back is illegal - but buy one ticke on airline 1 and another on
> > airline 2, you pick up the cheap fare and can't be caught doing anything
> > "bad"....
> >=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: The Airline List [mailto:AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU]On Behalf Of
> > Liam Tully
> > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 8:09 PM
> > To: AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU
> > Subject: Re: If I ran United...
> >=20
> >=20
> > Mark.
> >=20
> >      My understanding is that "back to back" tickets are somewhat
"frowne=
> d"
> > upon
> > by most, if not all carrier's - is that not correct? I might suggest to
y=
> ou
> > that in the
> > event of an IROP situation, or having to make a change en-route, your
cli=
> ent
> > with
> > a B2B tkt. could find him/herself in a most uncomfortable situation.
> >=20
> > Liam.
> > YVR.
> >=20
> >=20
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Greenwood" <mgreenwood@telus.net>
> > To: <AIRLINE@LISTSERV.CUNY.EDU>
> > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 6:56 PM
> > Subject: Re: If I ran United...
> >=20
> >=20
> >> > We don't get a stream of random customers walking through our doors
> > because we
> >> > are not a store front agency.  Yes it is more profitable to look
after=
>  the
> >> > clients I already have.  80% of your business comes from 20% of your
> >> > customers.  Very few of my clients travel on unrestricted tickets.
Wi=
> th
> > the
> >> > business climate the way it is, they are planning in advance or using
=
> back
> > to
> >> > back tickets.  Many of them are top tier frequent flyers and are
often
> >> > upgrading from the 14 day advance purchase fare.
> >> >
> >> > Nick Laflamme wrote:
> >> >
> >>> > > At 07:37 PM 5/3/2002 -0700, Mark Greenwood  wrote:
> >>>> > > >How would doing away with FC adversely affect yield?  Right now
y=
> ou
> > have
> >>>> > > >someone who has paid the lowest fare possible occupying a high
yi=
> eld
> > seat.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > You're kidding, right? They people who fly the most often fly on
> >>> > > unrestricted tickets or on very short notice. They may have a 5%
> > corporate
> >>> > > discount worked out by their employer (I did when I was with
Nortel=
> ),
> > but
> >>> > > that's 5% off a very high fare, not 5% off what the cheapest fare
o=
> n the
> >>> > > plane is!
> >>> > >
> >>> > > United got my business last year on four IAD-MSP round trips
(throu=
> gh
> > ORD,
> >>> > > no less!) instead of NW because they treat me well, because I did
l=
> ots
> > of
> >>> > > Star Alliance miles in 2000. (UA and LH were by far the easiest
way=
>  to
> >>> > > Hamburg when I was doing lots of IAD/HAM trips.) When I say "treat
=
> me
> >>> > > well," I mean extra leg room in Economy Plus and a less busy
check-=
> in
> >>> > > counter at most UA airports. If United decides the only perk I get
=
> for
> > my
> >>> > > consistent patronage of them is the occasional free flights, I'll
s=
> pend
> >>> > > down my current Mileage Plus balance on free tickets and then go
ba=
> ck to
> >>> > > choosing between Midwest Express (I miss Legend Airlines!) and
Sout=
> hwest
> >>> > > depending on when I'm in economy mode or more-room-please mode.
And
> > instead
> >>> > > of counting on my patronage to fill seats on twenty or fifty
flight=
> s a
> >>> > > year, UA will have to win over someone else to be their customer.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Was I part of a niche worth being catered to when I worked for
Nort=
> el
> > and
> >>> > > travelled a lot as a consultant? United thought so. That's the
whol=
> e
> > basis
> >>> > > of the FF programs: it's easier to retain (and milk) an
established=
>  FF
> > than
> >>> > > it is to compete for other airlines' frequent fliers.
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Tell me, Mark (and you other travel agents), is it more profitable
=
> to
> > take
> >>> > > care of your established customers or to try to make a profit on a
> > stream
> >>> > > of random customers walking through your doors?
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Sigh,
> >>> > > Nick
> >> >
> >=20
>

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