Websites Team, There's been a thread going on in fedora-list regarding our transition to fedoraproject.org. It brings up an excellent point. Except among ourselves, we have done a poor job of advertising what we are doing to the rest of the community. Although more and more resources are becoming available on fedoraproject.org, and more links are pointing to it, we haven't done much to tell people that we are now focusing on fedoraproject.org. With our recent revamp of fedora.redhat.com, we removed a great deal of content and left little more than a basic set of pages in place, but we didn't directly tell users where the information had gone. Many of the links there do now point to fedoraproject.org, but there's no explicit declaration of what is happening. I'd love to hear suggestions about how we can best remedy this oversight. I also know that a lot of people have asked why we don't have more content on the front page of fedora.redhat.com. I've been trying to find a reasonable way to publish news there that is synchronized with the news from fedoraproject.org. Beyond that, I'd love to hear suggestions for other valuable content that could go on the front page. Karsten, Greg and I haven't really heard a whole lot of feedback on the new fedora.redhat.com, so if each of you would take a few minutes to browse the site and return to the list with your insight, that would be great. Even if we are going to finish moving content away from fedora.redhat.com, we need to come up with key content to remain there, and the main content will likely be moved to fedoraproject.org (which we will need to advertise better). Whatever CMS (or non-CMS) solution we choose, we need to maintain our static content, and we need to tell our userbase what we are doing. -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64@xxxxxxxxx http://www.n-man.com/ -- Have I been helpful? Rate my assistance! http://rate.affero.net/nman64/
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- Subject: Re: Fedora community (Was: Revised Fedora Core website - Where are the links?)
- From: Kam Leo <kam.leo@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 16:33:41 -0800
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On 12/23/05, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Hi > > >Somewhere on the http://fedora.redhat.com home page should be placed a > >notice of the transition to FedoraProject.org. (A link would be a nice > >touch.) If visitors to the old site cannot find what they're searching > >for they can go to the new site. No need to google. > > > > > We havent made the decision yet. We are *still* discussing it. > http://fedoraproject.org does not have all of the infrastructure > necessary for a complete transition at this point and is maintained by > volunteers. Again all of the discussion in the archives and is available > in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites. The schedule is available > from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites/Schedule > > The entire list of infrastructure details is available from > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure. You can also help by > signing up and doing things. > > >I may not have expressed myself very clearly. The main Fedora Core > >home page has been and currently is http://fedora.redhat.com. Just do > >a Google search for "Fedora Core". My comment about the change being > >stealthy is that the site has been significantly altered. There is > >nothing on the main page or in either "News" or "About" regarding the > >change to the site. > > > The changes are work in progress. We havent decided on anything yet. The > News page links to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate. It has the > fedora-websites-list. > > Let me trace back the history of this change a bit. > > I initiated the discussion in fedora-docs list. See > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-docs-list/2005-October/msg00111.html > on creating a new mailing list for interactions about the website which > had previous been discussed in fedora-docs and fedora-marketing list and > someone in private mails among web administrators of the websites to > make it open and transparent to the community. The archives are > available. It was also later announced on the fedora-marketing list > > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2005-November/msg00006.html > > Fedora marketing list is where the discussion about a potential > transition to fedoraproject.org happened the whole point of which is to > enable more of the community to participate through the wiki among other > things. > > > > Only people who know about the change are those of > >the fedora-website-list which is a back channel communications link, > >much like this list. I agree, the archives are public, but it is not > >highly visible. What query string would you use in Google to find this > >particular discussion? > > > Try "Fedora websites"?. Its the first hit. > > > >The change is clumsy because a simple notice > >and link would have handled the mysterious loss of content. > > > > > The work was done by volunteers. They might not have done a perfect job. > You can file bug reports (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites) or > post to the fedora-websites list instead of calling changes stealthy and > club members only. I find that kind of language unnecessarily hostile > and misleading. > > Look I care about doing things transparently as much as possible. I am > working on several such things to enable it. For example coordinating > with the fedoranews.org administrator. > http://www.livejournal.com/users/rahulsundaram/1823.html (feeds from > http://fedoraproject.org/people) to have a regular flow of news of all > Fedora related information in a central place which In have proposed to > feed into news.fedoraproject.org and which will automatically show up in > the frontpage of http://fedoraproject.org. fedoranews.org site is being > redesigned to make that happen. see http://fedoranews.org/cms for a > preview of that. Such things dont happen in a day. We do a lot of work > behind the scenes for the community at large to be kept informed. I > spend several hours editing the wiki on a daily basis to make changes > that provides information to the community. see > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RecentChanges. I have worked on the > release notes extensively and triage bugs when I can. I request > developers all the time to post information to the lists and thats why I > am answering mails on this list and fedora forums all through the night > on a weekend even though my day job has nothing to do with Fedora. How > about less hostility in return for that?. Fair deal? > > > -- > Rahul > My sincerest apologies if my ramblings come across as hostile. I am a Fedora fan, really I am. My concern is that the public face for Fedora Core, http://fedora.redhat.com, has been marginalized (buzzword: depricated) but its replacement is not ready to step up to the plate. If the decision has not been made to replace the site why hobble it? The site could have been left pretty much alone until a replacement was ready. Why the rush? FC5 isn't due until the middle of next year. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@xxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
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