Tim via users wrote: > > I quite like the (old) Gnome menus. ToddAndMargo: > Take a look at MATE > https://fedoraproject.org/spins/mate > > Just simple. And gets the job done Yes, it's what I've been using for many years. It's so close to being the old Gnome, that it's virtually the same. And it's not just the simpleness of how it looks, it doesn't place big demands on the OS. The fancier ones were too much of a drain on resources. And if you were trying to break into the office desktop market, having a release that requires an expensive graphic card just ain't gonna fly. I've put Mint on a few people's PCs when I've been asked to replace Windows with something that doesn't drive them nuts. They'd heard of it, heard good things, so I've done that. I've shown them my system, with Fedora or CentOS running Mate and asked if they'd like something the same, and set Mint up with the same kind of desktop. I can't stand the usual Ubuntu install. I can't find where they've hidden things. A friend using it can't multitask, he can't swap between browser and something else (he closes the browser to find the desktop to start something, then closes that to find the desktop to restart the browser), so I wouldn't call it idiot-friendly. And if you went looking for answers on their forum, it was always the blind leading the blind. Trying to do updates was confusing. Which program was the updater? What's this package manager do? Why won't it update Firefox? (They, Ubuntu, had blocked Firefox from being updated, you had to force it, and had to find out how to do that.) So just about any OS has its stupidities in design. And that's why they invented Mac, as another friend would say... I find various Mac users to be the most rudimentary of computer literate. Oh it can't do this, so they make no attempt to try. I tried telling one that they could just drag and drop a file into something to use it, only for them to tell me that "it isn't Windows," completely oblivious to really being the Mac that pioneered drag-n-drop (I'm deliberately saying pioneered rather than invented - they really spread the technique, I'm not sure who really invented it). -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.119.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 4 14:43:51 UTC 2024 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. -- _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
