Tim: > > The common retort "you have to learn a new way of doing things" if you > > leave Windows to use Linux gets me. Windows constantly makes people > > have to learn a new way of doing things, and people pay for that with > > time and effort, and real money. ToddAndMargo: > Ya, no fooling. As soon as M$ gets their OS fairly stable > (well for M$), they start over. It is like someone broke > into your house and re arranged all your furniture. And ripped the arms off the chairs and glued them back on upside down... People go on courses to learn Word, but it's different, TOO different, from the version they have at work and home. So they only use it like an electric typewriter. If you use your computer to type, read email, browse, you can do that on any system without much pain in the few minutes it takes to find the differences between them. What happens with downloads becomes a mystery to many, no matter what system, too. > I have a Fedroa server at a customer site that is maybe ten or > fifteen years old. I have never upgraded it because one of > their mission critical pieces of software is such a house of > cards, I do not dare change anything. I can not tell the > difference unless I ask the operating system what it is. > It is pretty easy at a glance with Windows. I left my file server / test webserver / mail server running on an out- of-date release for many years. It's only internal, it did it's job just as well as when it was new. > So here is the thing, when I set up a new computer -- be it > Windows or Linux -- I create desktop and task bar icons > of the programs the user wants to run. The user never goes > into the menus. And they are happy. I quite like the (old) Gnome menus. They're categorised mostly sensibly, other than putting Evolution into office rather than internet (but I add it there). They do suffer from the problem that any OS has, with various program names giving no clue to what they do (a PDF reader called evince, for instance). -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.119.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Jun 4 14:43:51 UTC 2024 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. -- _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue