On Sun, 2024-04-14 at 09:49 -0400, Fulko Hew wrote: > Then in corporate life, I needed to ensure a stable development > environment. This is one of the big problems with computers in the work place. You may have single-task computers which you want to work, and not mess around with. You may have a need for particular jobs that will always work in a certain way. Things in development can take ages to complete, and that's just sorting out your own needs, never mind having to deal with a system changing as well. System updates can pull the rug out from under you. Computer systems with long life spans are essential in such environments, things that require replacing every 6 months or so are a real nuisance (to put it mildly). Let's be clear, we're not talking about annoying changes to how the desktop looks, that can be put up with. But when you find essential software and/or hardware doesn't work anymore, or doesn't exist anymore, and support libraries are incompatible, that's a deal-breaker. It's a part of the reasons Linux gets minimal support with hardware (printers, graphics cards, scanners, whatever). Those manufacturers don't want to be dealing with ever-changing infrastructure where someone else is making all these changes. And there's every chance that by the time they've developed their gadget and software for it, a Linux distro has changed OSs twice. > After F33, it became an issue that I didn't want to migrate because > I'd typically be losing functionality or user-convenience. > > During F33 to 34/35 migration I remember losing all of my KiCad > customizations for chips and connectors I had downloaded. > During this F35 to F39 migration, I've lost the convenience of a > Fedora supported FreeCAD. Addressing an issue someone else replied with: While one can try installing old software onto new systems, you often find it cannot be installed or run. It's not compatible. Even the newer idea of the big-blob appimage (and their ilk) that's mostly self-contained without relying (much) on system libraries, and one blob is supposed to work on various different distros can fail to work on different versions of an OS. So yes, change is a pain. In certain environments computers will never get updates. Once it's working, they'll keep it in that condition. It's not a problem with non-networked systems, but risky with networked ones. I have a very old Mac in that boat (changes stuffed things up). It's used for video editing with Final Cut Pro, and that's its sole task. I kept updating for a while, but it can't be any more. They limit the newest OS you can put on it. And somewhere along the way, one of the Final Cut Pro updates became very crashy, and no further updates fixed that issue, and it wasn't possible to go back to a prior version that was stable. > P.S. And with every upgrade, software just gets slower. I certainly noticed that with Windows. They seemed to just cobble patch upon patch, rather than replace borked things with working ones. I can't say I've *directly* encountered upgrade slowdowns with Linux software. Though I have in the sense that Gnome and KDE developers seem to think everyone has a PC with an insanely powerful graphics card and oodles of RAM to just run the desktop. I don't care about the damn desktop, it's applications I want to use. -- NB: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the list. The following system info data is generated fresh for each post: uname -rsvp Linux 6.2.15-100.fc36.x86_64 #1 SMP PREEMPT_DYNAMIC Thu May 11 16:51:53 UTC 2023 x86_64 -- _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
