On Sun, 2023-05-07 at 17:13 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > Except that they can't be understood. He has already done this several > times and refuses to accept that whatever method he's using to translate > is completely useless. He keeps saying it's our problem, that we aren't > smart enough to understand his magnificent English. > > Wordreference is not very useful for translating. He is so proud that > it gives him multiple possible words, but clearly he's trying to > translate word by word, since it doesn't do more than that. And the > lack of punctuation is extra unhelpful. Back in high school, when dinosaurs roamed the earth, we learnt Spanish. Though, only to kindergarten level as I would figure out afterwards. While we learnt the equivalents of some words, forming sentences was another matter. You had to understand the technique. e.g. "That's his dog" had no direct translation. Said in Spanish it was more akin to "the dog which is of him," though the actual words aren't the same even in that arrangement. It was just a basic understanding of the syntax. Machine translation needs to understand the words, the phrasing, and which words must be used in what context where there's ambiguity and duplication (in English we have something which is light, which could be bright, or not heavy, or have less fat or sugar). It needs some kind of comprehension of the input and output languages. And it can only have a fighting chance at doing that on a sentence by sentence basis, since machines rarely "understand" things but recognise patterns and groups. Their posts look like "word salad" to me, and I wonder if they're any more comprehensible in their own language. I also wonder about whether they're sane, it reads like they're not. They certainly don't seem to get it that they're outputting nonsense, and continue to do so. -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-1160.88.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 7 15:41:52 UTC 2023 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted. I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list. _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue
