On 28 Apr at 17:27, Tom Horsley <horsley1953@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > But systemd-timedated tries to supplant them all :-). This is where > my "computer fungus" description comes from. Every systemd release > seems to take over something else that worked fine without systemd > engulfing it. I've been working in Unix since about 1980--I wrote custom BIOS code for BTL products, Unix drivers and kernel internals while at BTL Naperville, and rewrote cut and paste for contribution to the Gnu Project (and wasn't *that* fun, but another story.) Suffice to say I've been around a long time. The biggest problem I have with systemd is that it violates, on so many levels, the Unix mantra "do one thing and do it well". It may have been a good idea when it was only supposed to provide an efficient replacement for the admittedly fractured different system initialization system. With it growing to subsume so many different, and usually unrelated, tasks, it's turned into the kind of thing that we were trying so hard to get away from--the monolithic OS with complex interrelated interactions that was prevalent at the time. And everything that we wanted to avoid is resurfacing with systemd. It's become a glop of totally unrelated features and services, difficult to diagnose and maintain, and prone to unwanted and unforseen interactions. Tug this strand, and the spiderweb shivers. $0.02, and I know nobody's going to listen to me, but listening to the conflicts on this topic just make me sigh. Sincerely, -- Dave Ihnat dihnat@xxxxxxxxxx _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure