On Wed, Apr 27, 2022 at 5:35 PM Jonathan Billings <billings@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Just as much as frustrating as people who say “systemd is evil” and because it has bugs it should be tossed out entirely.
That attempted equivalence doesn't acknowledge the power imbalance in the situation. The "systemd can't possibly be broken in THAT way" crowd are part of the group which have final say over Linux distributions at large and how they do (or don't) work.
If the "systemd is evil" crowd were removing systemd from Fedora/Ubuntu/etc and repeatedly breaking working systems and dismissing user feedback -- even if they had good intentions and could point to bugs they were fixing -- I think this equivalence would carry weight.
I wasn’t trying to be dismissive, I just didn’t realize we were debugging someone’s genuine problem.
And, not to be too flip, I think that's part of the problem.
-justin
_______________________________________________In general, the way I suggest debugging these kinds of hangs at shutdown/reboot are to run:journalctl --boot=-1 --reverse--Jonathan Billings
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