On Tue, 22 Feb 2022 at 12:28, M. Fioretti <mfioretti@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 22, 2022 09:05:54 AM -0400, George N. White III wrote:
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- All I know is that is that it is sorely needed ONE front-end in
Linux where one can say, as it was in the golden age of .rpm and .deb,
"I need this software. I couldn't care less, and there's nothing bad
with it, of which language, build environment, packaging
format... this software came from. Just find the damn thing and
install it yourself, with any dependency, while I take a nap".
- I don't know if conda is the right theoretical answer. I just know
that until there is no awareness from developers and distro
integrators (more the former than the latter, probably) of the mess
they have put users in, and the will to fix it with conda or anything
else, nothing will change
Linux distros have to focus on the most commonly used packages.
Debian may be the exception -- there you can get packages with
a smaller user base if someone steps forward to do the work,
including contributing to libraries they require.
Cross-distro packagers don't want to make it easy for users
to switch back to distro packages (hence python versus
python3). Conda-forge is more open to allowing packages
with a limited user base.
funny historical note about conda: they "stole" (note the quotes, no
problem with that) the miniconda name from the RULE project I and
others started twenty years ago:
https://www.slideshare.net/mfioretti/rule-ld-roma2004
I vaguely remember RULE. I used to work in a group that ran
ocean remote sensing workshops for post-doc level scientists
from developing countries. At one time participants had Windows
PC's and the course used a linux VM from NASA. I demoed a
bare-metal installation on an old PC and advised participants
to look for an old unloved and unwanted PC at their home institution
on which they could install linux.
Name clashes can often be avoided if people would check that a
proposed name is not already in use, and b) consistently use something
unique like their organization name as a prefix. If nothing is done such
clashes will only increase with time.
and also https://spazioinwind.libero.it/marco_web/RULE/installer.html (I
have a full static archive of the original RULE website, went offline
when I switched VPS, will restore it asap)
Try a goggle search for "python snap library" and imagine a student whose
instructor said "for today's homework, install the python snap library and use
it to ....".
If your requirements match those of sufficiently large audience, you might
consider organiziing a Fedora spin.
George N. White III
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