On Mon, Feb 21, 2022 09:21:05 AM -0400, George N. White III wrote: > Open source makes it easy for people to innovate, and we need to > encourage experimentation, but we can't have experiments in linux > distros. George, the core of that post of mine is that what you say has become impossible. That is, it has become IMPOSSIBLE, for users with more than really basic needs, who still are many more than developers buthave other ways to serve the community, to NOT "experiment", wasting against their will much more time than it was the case 10 years ago, whatever distro they choose. > https://stop.zona-m.net/2022/01/the-sorry-sorry-state-of-linux-packaging/ > > CPAN, CTAN, CRAN etc. exist because they support multiple OS's. Whatever. The reality still is that they and their equivalents for other languages have made it impossible for anyone on any OS to have a unified front end for package management. And this is not progress wrt 10/15 years ago, no matter how one puts it. > Packages are messy and likely always will be. Packages are MUCH messier now than before, without any real reason I can recognize as such, and for users this is NOT progress, that's my whole point. And I am not talking newbies. I used to compile from sources tens of packages, back in the 90's/early 00s. Today, I am forced to spend MORE time than back then to restore a system that does what I need every time I upgrade the distro, because: a) compiling everything from source would be consume even more time, much more than when "config, make, make install" and manual dependency solving was enough b) so the least worst way to cope is to endure (every time with different, often undocumented gotchas) ten different packaging systems who couldn't care less to acknowledge that people could need sw from different communities Sure, software becomes more complex over time. But this doesn't mean that what we have today makes sense. Marco -- Help me write my NEXT MILLION WORDS for digital awareness: https://stop.zona-m.net/2021/10/funding-2021-2022/ _______________________________________________ users mailing list -- users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/users@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Do not reply to spam on the list, report it: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure
